i absolutely agree. if he beats leo on sunday then i’d happily eat my words. but if not then he’ll always have the excuse that he raced 3 times in 5 days. and at that point we’ll have to wait til they are both in the ncaa to see a true face off. and even then they will still both get wiped by colin sahlman
dude birnbaum is already running faster than colin salhman. No just no.
we’ll see who ducks the fade this time. birnbaum and burns talking all that mess on the youngs dodging races. i’d be surprised if birnbaum even races on sunday. and if he does and if he loses he’ll say the youngs were fresh and he had 2 strong races under his legs. that’s what you get when you call out the competition and then make excuses for yourself. who’s really the scared one
We don't know how Sunday will play out. I don't want to judge any of these kids. Each has his own reasons for scheduling the races he's run. Leo has taken some flak but I know that both he and Lex missed Sound Running due to their commitment to their school prom. And I also heard that their high school had a mandatory practice for graduation that precluded them from running Brooks PR.
What Birnbaum did was fantastic, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I don't wanna take anything away from Birnbaum, but Sahlman is still wayyy faster at 800 and 5k by pr, and likely would have ran faster in the 1500 had his collegiate season extended this far. Even if his 3:38 was his max hypothetucal fitness, it's only 0.37 faster than what Birnbaum just ran, and I'd still take Sahlman's kick over anyone with similar fitness, even Birnbaum (who has a deadly kick of his own)
thread is full of TRE meat riders. come sunday, birnbaum will be left in the dust as leo reigns victorious and the best high school runner of all time
sorry but leo ran all-out in competitive 1500m fields 3 times this year. He ran 3:40,3:39,3:39,3:39. Birnbaum runs 3:37 after a 8:34 2 mile race in his first competitive 1500.
where’s this “deadly kick” that everyone talks about. of course i’ve seen it in other races. but really? conor mantz the marathoner can run down and outlean the “deadliest kick in years” ????
Your right it really makes no sense that a 17 year old racing the 1500 for the first time and coming off an all out 2 mile a few days ago would get out kicked by a seasoned pro athlete. If you wanna see the "deadly kick" watch the Arcadia 2022 mile, Brooks PR 2022 mile, Arcadia 2 mile 2023, Hoka festival mile 2023, Brooks 2 mile 2023.
It really wasn’t that uneven at all. 42.8 - 59.5 - 58.1 - 57.5.
yeah that's what I was saying. The splits look super even but he looked like a yo-yo out there. I thought Sunday's race was gonna be pretty close, but now it looks like it might be a blowout. Kinda like how tonight's race was, except with Birnbaum in Wisner's place.
yeah that's what I was saying. The splits look super even but he looked like a yo-yo out there. I thought Sunday's race was gonna be pretty close, but now it looks like it might be a blowout. Kinda like how tonight's race was, except with Birnbaum in Wisner's place.
I just didn’t see that at all 🤷🏻♂️
I think he only looked like ao-yo because some of the other athletes had such uneven splits. He was fine and even the whole time but if the rest of the field isn't even its easy for it to look flike you were struggling.
I love the fact that there is a big crop of seniors this year that are highly competitive and throwing down some big times. This is what the future of the usatf needs.
I think he only looked like ao-yo because some of the other athletes had such uneven splits. He was fine and even the whole time but if the rest of the field isn't even its easy for it to look flike you were struggling.
Exactly. He ran the most even paced time trial of anyone.
Seeing this really makes me look back on Leo Young's highschool outdoor season with a sense of wasted potential. So far in the 1500 hes run 3:40, 42, 39, 39, 39, (and maybe a fourth 3:39 I cant even remember) along with 2 random 800s. Did he really need to forgo his highschool eligibility for that? Birbuam has ran faster than Leo over 1500 and 800 without forgoing any highschool eligibility. Couldn't have Leo stayed in the highschool level at least until Arcadia?? Couldn't he have entered a mile? Or a 2-mile, or a 5k or 10k? It just doesn't make sense.
Even Lex, as valiant as his comeback season from 35th at NXN to 13:34 5k has been, could've at least tried something other than 5ks and 1500s this whole season. Why not a 10k? An 800? A 2-mile?
I guess they feel that they've already proven themselves enough over previous years, or maybe they just have a sense of maturity (passivity?) that makes them not feel the need to prove themselves superior over their highschool peers. Either way, if I were as insanely fast as they are its certainly not the route I would've chosen.
I love the fact that there is a big crop of seniors this year that are highly competitive and throwing down some big times. This is what the future of the usatf needs.
Speaking of USATF . . . 3:37.00 is the Q for USAs . . . with a 1500m field size of 36 . . . however, there are only 20 or so US guys with the Q . . . thus, Simeon will make it back to Eugene in 3 weeks to fill out the field . . . if he so chooses . . .
Burns and the Young's can step aside. Clearly the best high schooler this year.
Leo could have been the best this year. He had opportunities to make record attempts at 10k, 5k, and 3200/2 miles and he skipped all those distances in order to run a bunch of 1500/800 races. What a strange decision by Leo.
we don't know if he could of been the best. if anything he should have ran in all those big high school races (Arcadia 3200, brooks 2 mile, hoka mile). Thank god they finally decided to come back to run Nike mile. I am glad they are back on the high school scene.
What Birnbaum did was fantastic, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I don't wanna take anything away from Birnbaum, but Sahlman is still wayyy faster at 800 and 5k by pr, and likely would have ran faster in the 1500 had his collegiate season extended this far. Even if his 3:38 was his max hypothetucal fitness, it's only 0.37 faster than what Birnbaum just ran, and I'd still take Sahlman's kick over anyone with similar fitness, even Birnbaum (who has a deadly kick of his own)
So you now want to extend the age disparity between the two to try and make your point? Are you oblivious to Birnbaum being some two years younger?
What Birnbaum did was fantastic, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. I don't wanna take anything away from Birnbaum, but Sahlman is still wayyy faster at 800 and 5k by pr, and likely would have ran faster in the 1500 had his collegiate season extended this far. Even if his 3:38 was his max hypothetucal fitness, it's only 0.37 faster than what Birnbaum just ran, and I'd still take Sahlman's kick over anyone with similar fitness, even Birnbaum (who has a deadly kick of his own)
So you now want to extend the age disparity between the two to try and make your point? Are you oblivious to Birnbaum being some two years younger?
And oh yeah, Birnbaum was originally going after Granville’s 800m record this year before straining his hammy.
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