My daughter is competing against two boys this weekend in California 1600 State Championships

Are you an idiot?

You don't think that the whole world has been discussing this for years? She's a California athlete and it's relevant. Why wouldn't she ask me about it?

Guess I should go buy a lottery ticket!

But the position of most people isn't that "trans athletes have no place in women's sports." It's that male athletes of any kind don't belong in women's and girls' sports.

Women's and girls' sport were created for female people. Female is a sex category that automatically excludes all males, regardless of how some male might see themselves, what kind of gender identity (if any) they have or claim to have, what kind of personalities and interests and inclinations they have, and how they express themselves in terms of "gender presentation" - meaning how they dress, wear their hair, groom, adorn themselves, talk, sound, move, gesture, engage in sexual relations, etc.

Female athletes who "identify as" trans definitely have a place in women's and girls' sports. So long as female athletes with trans identities are not taking exogenous T or other anabolic steroids, and they haven't taken those drugs in the past, there is no issue about them participating and competing in girls' and women's sports.

In the 2021-22 swim season, two "trans athletes" attending Ivy League schools competed in women's college swimming in the US, and both of them raced in the Division I women's category at the 2022 NCAA national championships. But the only trans swimmer whose place in women's competition - and the women's locker room - was contested, protetested and complained about in 2021-22 was the male trans athlete, Lia Thomas of Penn. No one objected to the female trans athlete Iszac Henig of Yale competing in women's races, or using the women's locker room, either. Because although Henig had already undergone a double mastectomy before the 2021-22 college swimming season began , Henig is a female who decided to put off taking exogenous testosterone until that season was over.

Far from ideal, but have daughter talk to other competitors. Take a step at the start, and then sit on the track for the rest of the "race". Takes a whole lot of guts to do that as a young girl, but could truly be a world-changing decision if they go through with it.

Have you ever met a teenager? They are not afraid to let their opinions be known. They don’t need their parents to be their mouthpiece. Actually that is one of the most embarrassing thing that a teenager can experience

That sounds good on the surface, but it's going to be the girl's state championship race.

The girls should be able to compete in their race and not have to lose that opportunity.

It is NOT a race for two boys.

You’re making the argument that people never lie. You aren’t even a registered user so we have no way of judging your credibility. You claim to be one of the fathers of a group of 25 athletes in a country of 332M, so, yeah, you should buy a lottery ticket.

Not so fast.

Even if CIF could make a rule change on the fly, their legal people would need to review it and analyze the potential exposure. IMHO, the fallout from the current scenario will be short lived and forgotten within a few weeks. Dealing with bad public relations and some articles on conservative media is fiscally inexpensive. The state legislature isn’t going to do anything and I don’t think that any lawsuits from cis girls would stick as it would be very difficult to prove financial damages.

Boot the transgender competitors? Then buckle up for an avalanche of both state and federal discrimination lawsuits from the aggrieved parties and rights groups. Also watch the legislature in Sacramento investigate and audit CIF into the ground.

Nope. CIF and their counsel will convene over the summer to write new rules for transgender athletes that will take effect in time for the 2023/2024 school year. Bureaucracies are always risk averse and only act swiftly when it is a universal issue like safety.

How do "these people" look at themselves in the mirror?

IAAF states if you are above a certain number of testosterone, you're a guy. Below, a female.

We can't do that?

When the girls are called to the starting line they should all stand one step back and see what the starter does. I hope they protest but I wouldn't want to see them miss the race. Maybe give the crowd the thumbs down 👎

Obviously SDSU didn't teach you how probability works. There are 24 athletes in the OP's daughter's situation. The chances that at least one parent of the 24 reads Letsrun is very high. What you are doing is just trying to dox and harass him/her. And please don't waste your money on lottery tickets

But who is going to legally challenge the temporary measure?

Trans athletes will be allowed to compete, and receive a duplicate medal if they place in the final.

Cis athletes will not lose a spot in the final, and will not lose an award to a trans athlete.

How does that negatively affect any of them?

You're confusing unlikely with impossible ... which coming from you is not surprising.

Also, the OP is claiming to be the parent of a girl who is running the 1600 at the California state meet. Your denominator of 332 million is ridiculous. You're already off by an order of magnitude because it's the California state meet not the USA meet. And I'd wager that the likelihood of there being a parent of California high school girl who runs track posting on LRC is actually rather high.

Please stop this. You're embarrassing yourself.

…and let’s also remember that the odds that one of the two trans kids (and their parents) are reading this board is also high

In the race video, I was shocked at what the parents were saying in the stands. The athlete’s parent were surely in the stands not too far away and the kid herself surely watched the race video afterwards.

This comment is utterly moronic.

This situation needs to be approached in away that shows the unfairness to girls but also recognizes that trans people are going through something and want to compete.

I stick with my solution of having an open category and a female category.

Identifying as female to be viewed that way isn’t enough to be allowed to compete against them with an unfair advantage. They shouldn’t be banned from athletics completely.

People never lie on LR? You don’t believe the story is too convenient? He posted that he told his daughter that there was virtually no chance she would ever run against transgender athletes, which is true, but now that it happened, it’s a big problem that’s not going away. What about the millions of parents that don’t have a child competing against transgender athletes?

Serious-but-mostly-rhetorical question for all of you screeching about how "YoU vOTeD fOR tHiS!!" - who exactly am I supposed to vote for if I...

- generally find the woke stuff to be stupid at best and harmful at worst

- support female's rights and worker's rights

- have utter disdain for the U.S.'s foreign policy

- generally find the GOP to be repugnant and the Dems to be either incompetent, corrupt, stupid, or some combination of these.

The answer is a big fat nobody (in a two-party system at least), but then your friends and family all yell at you for wasting your vote or helping the bad guy win, etc.

To bring my post more on topic, opposing the biological males racing against females shouldn't automatically get you labeled as a bigot and canceled, dismissed as a M4G4 dipsh*t, or what have you. But holding this position without also getting on board with the psychotic agenda of the GOP makes you politically homeless.

don't you understand, honey, men know best for everyone, and men make the best women too-- now that they're given a chance...

seriously, you are 1000% correct but wait for it-- here comes a "feminist" man to call you names and say "sis" girls and women just don't get it.

remember #MeToo? #MeToo !

The solution is for a couple of girls to walk off the track and not compete? Talking about really losing an opportunity, that's losing more then losing to one of the mentioned athletes. You won't get everyone that's for sure. Not everyone thinks the same way you do.