We have merged two threads on this topic into 1 and kept the title of the longer thread. The other thread was called, "Adeline Johnson, high school senior, misses state due to biological male taking the last spot in California."
Edit: look at 1:32 in the video. Barrett surges into first without even trying. "She" obviously was holding back just like Lia Thomas did.
Listen to the crowd in the background. One lady is yelling trip her. The announcer says 4 girls are in the front pack and someone in the audience says 3 girls and a boy.
How much mental gymnastics do you have to do as one of these trans girls to believe this is fair? Denying reality is not in the handbook of equity. The reality is that you are biologically male. It's not an arbitrary assignment, it's not bigotry, it's a fact. Women asked for separate but equal when it comes to sports for a reason. However you identify, it's absurd if anyone thinks it's fair that biological men compete in physical competitions against women.
So you disagree with World Athletics and you believe trans athletes who did not go through male puberty should be excluded? Where is the evidence to prove their advantage? If such evidence existed, WA would have banned them as well.
Counter-arguments here strike me as mental gymnastics, namely, the trick of calling boys girls and vice versa and then claiming that all of society should be bound by someone's decision to misname people as something that they are not. Granting respect and equal employment is one thing, and a no brainer, but granting access to opposite sex bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports is another thing. Biological differences make male-female competition unfair from teen years on. Those biological differences are so numerous and go so far beyond any current testosterone levels that there is just no level playing field when you do that. As for "gender-affirming care," that is one of the more Orwellian expressions that I have seen. Call the treatments what they are. Hormonal blockers, hormones, castration, etc. I am in no way in favor of permitting such treatment for minors whose whims and perceptions are changeable from moment to moment. DeSatan is banning any research on the effects of such treatments, which I think is an enormous mistake because you have to let science show what the effects are, and they might be, and I am sure they will be (because hormones have such far reaching effects on us), very negative in the long-term for developing boys and girls. It was clear to me that the third place finisher in that linked race was sand-bagging after effortlessly moving from last to first like Kiprop, and then letting a couple of the best girls in the nation go ahead on the last lap.
Here is the organization behind the movement against gender affirming care.
A nonprofit that describes itself as a collection of doctors and others uniting to “protect healthcare from a radical, divisive, and discriminatory ideology” has become a significant presence in statehouses. Do No Harm got it...
There are actual issues facing trans people today.
Trans people deserve dignity. They deserve to be gainfully employed in the jobs they are qualified for, not discriminated against based on their identity. They deserve to show up as themselves, dress like themselves, and have their pronoun preferences honored.
They deserve access to healthcare. Gender affirming health care. I don't care that this health care has only been around for a century. Every reputable medical association and trans people themselves have said that such healthcare is life saving. Whether this health care should start at puberty or in adulthood, is honestly for each person and their family/doctors to decide, not the general public. I don't like the government dictating what medication you should or should not be on no matter what it is.
They deserve access to public bathrooms that fit with their gender identity. What are y'all doing in public bathrooms that make you think this can't be so? Y'all staring at people through the cracks in the stalls? Come on, go in do your business and leave. Sending trans women to the men's bathroom is ridiculous.
But this is not all the movement is asking for. What they are asking for is for so many of us to suspend our intelligence, deny basic biology for their precious feelings, what they are asking for entry into spaces that give them a horribly unfair advantage.
How much mental gymnastics do you have to do as one of these trans girls to believe this is fair? Denying reality is not in the handbook of equity. The reality is that you are biologically male. It's not an arbitrary assignment, it's not bigotry, it's a fact. Women asked for separate but equal when it comes to sports for a reason. However you identify, it's absurd if anyone thinks it's fair that biological men compete in physical competitions against women.
Nope, not in my daughter's and wife's bathrooms.
Do you want these people in your daughter's and wife's bathrooms?
100m 12.85 Angela Williams Ontario, CA Lincoln, NE 07/29/90 200m 26.50 Robin Reynolds Miami, FL Eugene, OR 07/31/04 400m 59.81 Monique Henderson San Diego, CA Baton Rouge, LA 07/30/93 800m 2:23.16 Daesha Rogers Miami, FL Greensboro, NC 08/01/09 1500m 4:51.62 Daesha Rogers Miami, FL Greensboro, NC 08/02/09
100m 12.73 Richard Washington Inglewood, CA Chapel Hill, NC 07/28/91 200m 25.83 Rannell Hall Miami, FL Miami, FL 08/02/03 400m 58.74 Jules Noel Boynton Beach, FL Baton Rouge, LA 07/25/97 800m 2:19.74 Robert Amick Sunnyvale, CA Indianapolis, IN 07/30/05 1500m 4:43.70 Robert Amick Sunnyvale, CA Indianapolis, IN 07/31/05 1500m Race Walk 7:13.01 Tristan Ruoss Fayetteville, AR Auburn, AL 07/02/92
How much mental gymnastics do you have to do as one of these trans girls to believe this is fair? Denying reality is not in the handbook of equity. The reality is that you are biologically male. It's not an arbitrary assignment, it's not bigotry, it's a fact. Women asked for separate but equal when it comes to sports for a reason. However you identify, it's absurd if anyone thinks it's fair that biological men compete in physical competitions against women.
So you disagree with World Athletics and you believe trans athletes who did not go through male puberty should be excluded? Where is the evidence to prove their advantage? If such evidence existed, WA would have banned them as well.
Why is there a need to determine whether or not they have an advantage? Biological males are categorically excluded from female sports. It really is that simple.
Counter-arguments here strike me as mental gymnastics, namely, the trick of calling boys girls and vice versa and then claiming that all of society should be bound by someone's decision to misname people as something that they are not. Granting respect and equal employment is one thing, and a no brainer, but granting access to opposite sex bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports is another thing. Biological differences make male-female competition unfair from teen years on. Those biological differences are so numerous and go so far beyond any current testosterone levels that there is just no level playing field when you do that. As for "gender-affirming care," that is one of the more Orwellian expressions that I have seen. Call the treatments what they are. Hormonal blockers, hormones, castration, etc. I am in no way in favor of permitting such treatment for minors whose whims and perceptions are changeable from moment to moment. DeSatan is banning any research on the effects of such treatments, which I think is an enormous mistake because you have to let science show what the effects are, and they might be, and I am sure they will be (because hormones have such far reaching effects on us), very negative in the long-term for developing boys and girls. It was clear to me that the third place finisher in that linked race was sand-bagging after effortlessly moving from last to first like Kiprop, and then letting a couple of the best girls in the nation go ahead on the last lap.
Here is the organization behind the movement against gender affirming care.
Do you want to be on their side? Or American Academy of Pediatrics?
Why would I care who is "on my side" or who is not? I certainly don't care that you're not on my side. We have clear cut, biological divisions in sports for very good reasons, and I see no reason for that to change.
I don't think anyone cares if these folks use the men's room. For that matter, no one cares if normal women use the men's bathroom. The issue at hand is WOMEN's spaces, WOMEN's sports, not men's. Get with the program and stop trying to drag (pardon the pun) everyone into the weeds.
The thing I find strange about it all is that it's just so obvious, but we're all supposed to pretend we don't notice the donkey running with the thoroughbreds?
Counter-arguments here strike me as mental gymnastics, namely, the trick of calling boys girls and vice versa and then claiming that all of society should be bound by someone's decision to misname people as something that they are not. Granting respect and equal employment is one thing, and a no brainer, but granting access to opposite sex bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports is another thing. Biological differences make male-female competition unfair from teen years on. Those biological differences are so numerous and go so far beyond any current testosterone levels that there is just no level playing field when you do that. As for "gender-affirming care," that is one of the more Orwellian expressions that I have seen. Call the treatments what they are. Hormonal blockers, hormones, castration, etc. I am in no way in favor of permitting such treatment for minors whose whims and perceptions are changeable from moment to moment. DeSatan is banning any research on the effects of such treatments, which I think is an enormous mistake because you have to let science show what the effects are, and they might be, and I am sure they will be (because hormones have such far reaching effects on us), very negative in the long-term for developing boys and girls. It was clear to me that the third place finisher in that linked race was sand-bagging after effortlessly moving from last to first like Kiprop, and then letting a couple of the best girls in the nation go ahead on the last lap.
Here is the organization behind the movement against gender affirming care.
You (i.e. trans activists) can't make absolute statements like 'trans women are women", "you don't need to physically transition or have gender dysphoria to be trans", etc. then only invoke 'passing' trans people to support your argument when it's convenient.
If you actually believe in your ideology then you also need to justify the inclusion of this 'woman' in women's spaces:
Meet the marvellous Alex, from Cardiff. Part of the My Genderation 'Patchwork' series, with All About Trans.www.mygenderation.comwww.allaboutrans.org.ukwww.f...
100m 12.85 Angela Williams Ontario, CA Lincoln, NE 07/29/90 200m 26.50 Robin Reynolds Miami, FL Eugene, OR 07/31/04 400m 59.81 Monique Henderson San Diego, CA Baton Rouge, LA 07/30/93 800m 2:23.16 Daesha Rogers Miami, FL Greensboro, NC 08/01/09 1500m 4:51.62 Daesha Rogers Miami, FL Greensboro, NC 08/02/09
100m 12.73 Richard Washington Inglewood, CA Chapel Hill, NC 07/28/91 200m 25.83 Rannell Hall Miami, FL Miami, FL 08/02/03 400m 58.74 Jules Noel Boynton Beach, FL Baton Rouge, LA 07/25/97 800m 2:19.74 Robert Amick Sunnyvale, CA Indianapolis, IN 07/30/05 1500m 4:43.70 Robert Amick Sunnyvale, CA Indianapolis, IN 07/31/05 1500m Race Walk 7:13.01 Tristan Ruoss Fayetteville, AR Auburn, AL 07/02/92
Males always have the advantage
Those are times of pre-puberty minors. If that could be presented to CAS as evidence, WA would have banned all trans athletes.
Do you have any data on trans women who did not go through male puberty?
Do you want to be on their side? Or American Academy of Pediatrics?
Why would I care who is "on my side" or who is not? I certainly don't care that you're not on my side. We have clear cut, biological divisions in sports for very good reasons, and I see no reason for that to change.
So you have absolutely nothing to say about gender affirming care? Got it.
