Has Tinman Elite Jumped the Shark?

nobody knows what this means wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Drew Hunter has a side job outside of running and is now a dad.

Sam Parsons hasn't raced in months and seems to just be lobbying for a sports marketing job once he stops being able to even make German teams (half the time doesn't race once he makes the team anyway).

We're now celebrating "2nd fastest season opener ever" and the "rookie" on the team is 27 years old. Some of the guys are getting actively worse while some seem to have disappeared entirely. The group seems to have killed more careers than it has propelled.

Are most of the guys just working in the basement peddling merch these days between sessions on the eliptigo?

Also, hilarious that all their friends and significant others are "photographers" and "designers" for the team. Wow, here's a black and white photo of someone running. Here's a super close up shot! Wow, I moved the logo from the left side to the center and made it a little bigger, we better sell this thoughtfully designed merch immediately.

Big fan of Reed Fischer though, and he's doing awesome lately.

And yes, before the teens come in here, they're all faster than I ever was. I only ran 29:xx and 14:2x.

None of this is what "jumping the shark" means. You're saying they're irrelevant, which may be true. But "jumping the shark" means doing some ridiculous stunt to try to get publicity and stay relevant. Like if they decided to set the world record for fastest 10k while juggling or something. But sliding into irrelevance without a fight is in no way "jumping the shark."

So much knowledge, but no details.. wrote:

OK, so clearly you have kept yourself apprised of their race results and likely their weekly training.

From a debate perspective, you left a gaping hole, you clearly chose to leave out all data regarding their performances. I am familiar with *most* their performances in those races, and they were pretty ugly. The steeple times would have barely qualified for NCAA regionals top 48. On the top end of Tinman's squad, the best steeple performance would barely have a shot to contend to make it out of regionals.

Tori-Can she qualify for NCAAs this year as a "pro"? I had never heard of her until this board brought her up in relation to TME.

Will you please post with the data on those races you alluded to so everyone can get a proper perspective on where they stand now in comparison to prior years?

Let's allow everyone to make an evaluation off of objective data. To be fair most people here don't waste their time looking up every single race, and also to be fair, I did see the results on most of those races, but definitely not every single one.

I have Instagram though...if there was a major result, I am sure I would have seen updates on the IG.

shootpost wrote:

Drew Hunter is cool because he is among the few pros who posts ALL their training on Strava.

So we can actually argue about his training and running and not the usual stuff.

I have said for years Drew Hunter is insanely talented, the times he has run (3:34/13:17) with how easy his training is wild. For many years he has only ran 60-70 mpw, did a ton of 5:00 min pace cruise intervals, strides, and spent 2+ months each year injured. To turn that training into his performance indicates a ton of natural talent. Looking through his training it would be pretty typical for a 14-14:30 college guy.

Now his problem is he can't just do more because he always is getting hurt. HOWEVER, last offseason he started to run 80 mpw. He hasn't been injured in a year. And now that he has left tinman hopefully he will place less emphasis on cruise intervals and do the speed/intensity you need to actually be competitive in the 1500/5k. Nothing in his training gets close to some of the hard workouts we heard from Oregon Project or currently hear from Bowerman/On. He needs to do the intensity and raw speed work to make that jump to actually contend in championship races.

So I really think he could make a breakthrough here. He won't ever be world class but I think he could contend for a US Championship. Needs to stay healthy.

Also he always posts how tired he is with his new born, he needs to figure that out.

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shootpost wrote:

Drew Hunter is cool because he is among the few pros who posts ALL their training on Strava.

So we can actually argue about his training and running and not the usual stuff.

I have said for years Drew Hunter is insanely talented, the times he has run (3:34/13:17) with how easy his training is wild. For many years he has only ran 60-70 mpw, did a ton of 5:00 min pace cruise intervals, strides, and spent 2+ months each year injured. To turn that training into his performance indicates a ton of natural talent. Looking through his training it would be pretty typical for a 14-14:30 college guy.

Now his problem is he can't just do more because he always is getting hurt. HOWEVER, last offseason he started to run 80 mpw. He hasn't been injured in a year. And now that he has left tinman hopefully he will place less emphasis on cruise intervals and do the speed/intensity you need to actually be competitive in the 1500/5k. Nothing in his training gets close to some of the hard workouts we heard from Oregon Project or currently hear from Bowerman/On. He needs to do the intensity and raw speed work to make that jump to actually contend in championship races.

So I really think he could make a breakthrough here. He won't ever be world class but I think he could contend for a US Championship. Needs to stay healthy.

Also he always posts how tired he is with his new born, he needs to figure that out.

Can you give an example of these OAC super sessions? If you got check Joe Klecker's strava, he basically does a bunch of work at threshold, a few 200s at mile pace, and then only 1-2 hard sessions in the leadup to a big race. A lot of mileage, but he's training for 10k, not 1500/5k. Ingebrigtsen likewise never does anything exceptional in training.

NOP train with these super sessions, but maybe they had assistence that helped them train like animals.

BTC train with these super sessions, but we know Shelby needed steroids to handle the training. Most athlete under Jerry have broken down. Most that have left have actually ended up running better.

nobody knows what this means wrote:

Han Solo wrote:

Drew Hunter has a side job outside of running and is now a dad.

Sam Parsons hasn't raced in months and seems to just be lobbying for a sports marketing job once he stops being able to even make German teams (half the time doesn't race once he makes the team anyway).

We're now celebrating "2nd fastest season opener ever" and the "rookie" on the team is 27 years old. Some of the guys are getting actively worse while some seem to have disappeared entirely. The group seems to have killed more careers than it has propelled.

Are most of the guys just working in the basement peddling merch these days between sessions on the eliptigo?

Also, hilarious that all their friends and significant others are "photographers" and "designers" for the team. Wow, here's a black and white photo of someone running. Here's a super close up shot! Wow, I moved the logo from the left side to the center and made it a little bigger, we better sell this thoughtfully designed merch immediately.

Big fan of Reed Fischer though, and he's doing awesome lately.

And yes, before the teens come in here, they're all faster than I ever was. I only ran 29:xx and 14:2x.

None of this is what "jumping the shark" means. You're saying they're irrelevant, which may be true. But "jumping the shark" means doing some ridiculous stunt to try to get publicity and stay relevant. Like if they decided to set the world record for fastest 10k while juggling or something. But sliding into irrelevance without a fight is in no way "jumping the shark."

So much knowledge, but no details.. wrote:

You might have a career in sales...let's keep it real here.

Jordan (please don't call him Goose...you just gave yourself away. I do believe you're a hardcore fan now..or one of the TME guys. This plus you're selling way too aggressively on some misleading info.)-He has never focused seriously on the 10,000 and he just ran his first half marathon, 63:41, is that a joke? So if I do my first race distance when I turn 72 does that count as a PR?

IAAF shows 13:21 back in 2019 for 5,000..that is far superior to his 28:29, and obviously his 63:41. So, yes, trying to distances seriously for the first time showing less impressive results than you have at all other distances does not count as progress. PRs aren't PRs if it's your first time. I'm not hitting the 10,000 point again, as it is pretty obvious...if you only focus on 5K, then your point of reference is 13:21 from 2019 is far superior than his recent 28:29. Nothing to see.

He looks like he took his pedo mug shot photo on IAAF profile.

Someone needs to get hired as his consultant for managing hair and general appearance.

Link:worldathletics.org/athletes/malta/jord...

Drew-I root for the guy. I hate what TME has done to him, and I believe he would have been better off without these leaches using his popular image and affiliating with his name (I know group isn't literally named after him, but they benefit from how big he has been in the US since HS.) That being said, your 1,500 converts to your mile PR. He has run 3:34 for 1,500 since when did he run a 3:51-3:52 mile PR indoors? You can't say a 3:34 guy running 3:54 for the mile is truly a PR...come on..get real.

OK, quick break. Are you a team member? Significant other? Drew's mom?

If your Drew's mom, please fire yourself and send Drew to a real coach. Sam is toxic for him BTW. Send Sam to Adidas corporate, and make it seem like they requested him to come because they are enamored with his apparel design talents and ability to juggle competing at the same time. A la Michael Scott sending Todd Packer to Florida in The Office. Then, when he attempts to return, you are gone, and ensure that funding is no longer available on your way out.

Connor-Rooting for the guy...hate what has happened there. Terrible, you have to root for the man.

Joey- dude is a steeple guy seriously?

Austin-indoor PR? Really? Indoors is faster than outdoors 90% of the time nowadays.

Jermaine-within 5 seconds of a 3K PR? I wish you had shared that with me back in college before the SEC meet. When my coach got pissed after, I could have told him "At least I was within 5 seconds of my PR! Hey, pro guys count that as a good performance!"

OK, you didn't convince me.