Underestimating Kelvin Kiptum was the worst mistake the Community Could make

GreatDane wrote:

code5800 wrote:

Recap - 2:01:25

1st Half Split - 1:01:40

2nd Half Split - 59:45

Conditions: Rainy

Hit a 5K split in 13:49 (35-40K)

His Final 10K was under 27:50

Had 4.5 months after his Debut 2:01:53 to Train. Legit people didn't even give this guy the odds of winning, So many of you thought he was a "Flash in the Pan". I've been saying this since January. Unless he's drugged, this guy is going to become the First Sub Two Hour Marathoner.

Would be interested to see what he could do in a rabbited 10,000m track race. The guy has some serious wheels on him. If he can inject a 13:49 5km split haphazardly in a marathon he’s gotta be capable easily of a sub26:30.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Every year we see a runner do something like this and we are told here they are "a once in a generation talent". There is nothing more common now than a "generational talent".

Who is telling you that? Anyone knowledgeable about competitive distance running knows Kiptum’s splits are improbable. The difference between me and you is that I see 2 options: Accept the testing at face value or stop following the sport.

Aouita 84 wrote:

BrainCelll wrote:

2x marathons and 2x 2:01's? No Coach? Negative splitting a 2:01 by almost 2mins?

He's doping, sorry.

Yet again another insightful observation-accusation that provides NO proof nor evidence of doping, and please don't respond with "Yeah there is, look at his time". Is there ANY tangible evidence that Kiptum is doping? Your lame 2 x marathons and 2 x 2:01's...blah...blah...blah, no coach....is horsesh^t. Is there a missed test?, previous positive test? Maybe some training partners being convicted dopers, or maybe a coach who has been implicated in doping athletes? Anything? Anything at all outside your expert (ha ha ha) opinion? Don't just lob baseless lame A** opinions on something you have ZERO knowledge of.

You ain't cheating until you're caught. Sad, but true.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sub-27.50 during a marathon - at the 30-40k mark! - is "legit"? So what isn't legit? 27.30? 27.00? You guys will accept anything is "legit" because you refuse to see doping - even when it hits you over the head.

code5800 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sub-27.50 during a marathon - at the 30-40k mark! - is "legit"? So what isn't legit? 27.30? 27.00? You guys will accept anything is "legit" because you refuse to see doping - even when it hits you over the head.

I mean that Speed alone, regardless of the distance before, wouldn't guarantee a HUGE 10K boost if he were to run one all-out. that 10K Speed is his Half Marathon pace.

BrainCelll wrote:

2x marathons and 2x 2:01's? No Coach? Negative splitting a 2:01 by almost 2mins?

He's doping, sorry.

Armstronglivs wrote:

That 27.50 at the end of a marathon suggests he would be a lot faster over a 10k race. But using that example also suggests he could run his best 800 pace at the end of a marathon. I'm sure he will do it.

sub10miler wrote:

I was mesmerised by that performance. He was on a whole other planet. If he's not on drugs he gonna be running like 1:58 in his early 30s.

code5800 wrote:

Wouldn't go that far! While I think he is certainly gifted. I would say he is barely capable of breaking 2. Remember his splits of 1:01:40/59:45 are amazing but, could he drop a Sub-1 after Opening in Sub-1:00? or even under 1:01? That's what you have to think about.

I mentioned in another thread, He's in about 1:59:55-2:00:30.

So his chances of breaking Two are just about 5%

Aouita 84 wrote:

BrainCelll wrote:

2x marathons and 2x 2:01's? No Coach? Negative splitting a 2:01 by almost 2mins?

He's doping, sorry.

Yet again another insightful observation-accusation that provides NO proof nor evidence of doping, and please don't respond with "Yeah there is, look at his time". Is there ANY tangible evidence that Kiptum is doping? Your lame 2 x marathons and 2 x 2:01's...blah...blah...blah, no coach....is horsesh^t. Is there a missed test?, previous positive test? Maybe some training partners being convicted dopers, or maybe a coach who has been implicated in doping athletes? Anything? Anything at all outside your expert (ha ha ha) opinion? Don't just lob baseless lame A** opinions on something you have ZERO knowledge of.

You ain't cheating until you're caught. Sad, but true.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

I have no reason to think hes doping.He has a legit track record of improvement.

Which makes him far more talented than Kipchoge.

He could run sub 2 without all the high tech help and pacers Kipchoge had.

Good call. Kipchoge has always reminded me of Katie Ledecky. Not overwhelmingly talented but unmatched in terms of dedicated metronome.

That's great until someone with more raw ability shows up. A freak. It has happened in women's swimming with Summer McIntosh. At age 16 she is already doing things that metronomes like Ledecky and Titmus can't match. And while watching the men's marathon last night it stood out to me that Kiptum simply looks more talented than Kipchoge. He can separate in 30 seconds while Kipchoge has to grind and grind.

Sometimes it's not complicated. Ability dictates.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Every year we see a runner do something like this and we are told here they are "a once in a generation talent". There is nothing more common now than a "generational talent".

Armstronglivs wrote:

That 27.50 at the end of a marathon suggests he would be a lot faster over a 10k race. But using that example also suggests he could run his best 800 pace at the end of a marathon. I'm sure he will do it.

Cant think of a username wrote:

The guy seems like a generational talent. We could be looking at the goat of the marathon by the time he’s done