Your dismissive comment that it’s not fast fast and that it’s doable shows so much lack of insight. It’s doable for but a very few elite older athletes.
Even the majority of all female marathon runner’s could only dream about running that time.
What I am saying female runners who had the talent to qualify for OT marathon trials can probably do this if they don't let go of their body (not necessarily running fitness) and don't have major injury issues. Some of the older age grading is inflated because very few even compete to that age. It's not the same age grading in early 40s where you had guys like Bekele, Lagat and Sara Hall knocking down the times.
What I am saying female runners who had the talent to qualify for OT marathon trials can probably do this if they don't let go of their body (not necessarily running fitness) and don't have major injury issues. Some of the older age grading is inflated because very few even compete to that age. It's not the same age grading in early 40s where you had guys like Bekele, Lagat and Sara Hall knocking down the times.
It’s a thread about Rice, so first: wow. Great job. Respect.
But also, I don’t see it as difficult to contemplate. I think we’re on the cusp of many women’s AG records falling more strikingly than for men.
Women in their early- to mid -70s now are from the time of the initial breakthrough for women in marathon running. Even those who didn’t compete the. Have had their adult mental image of athletic performance shaped by that change. Older AGs are starting to see some effects of that.
I have tremendous respect for what Bobbi Gibb did, but it’s women around her age who had the most recent crack at this AG record. And we admire trailblazers like her because there was little opportunity for female distance runners in the 60s and early 70s. They, of course, weren’t barred from competing in later years, but that doesn’t mean that participation and the discovery of talent weren’t suppressed by circumstance. Little room for a good-but-not-great young female counterpart to Ed Whitlock to turn into an AG titan in later years (gender differences in aging aside).
And from a breakthrough moment in women’s distance running, a great elite runner has also shown formidable longevity and run a fantastic 3:04 after age 60, and Joanie the great doesn’t even hold the 60-64 record. You don’t have to be the all-time great, of course, to be a later year great.
And as we move toward the generation maybe a decade younger than JBS, Waitz, Pippig, Mota, and so many others — IK, PW, LM, JS, AR, etc.), who were inspired by those greats, and when we get to the women who started as there was more inclusion and support worldwide, we’ll get into greater numbers, more chances of finding AG stars at the intersection of good aging luck and tremendous effort. It’s not just that the women’s marathon WR progression wildly outpaces the men’s around 1970-1985, it’s that overall participation percentages grew much more. And that’s even before the biggest boom for women and girls in the sport. And as is often the case with late AG runners, we’ll find some from the ranks of the sub-sub-elite (EW) and late bloomers (Rice, Gene Dykes). I figure we’ll find that Rice deserves of course to be applauded for her achievements — especially at this time — but also that she’s not a literally incredible outlier for human possibility at that age. The feat doesn’t even remotely have to be presumed illegitimate.
From a wider perspective, in an era when “60 is the new 40,” even without plastic surgery and hormone replacement therapy, and given the kind of generational shift in women’s running, we see a great achievement from Rice, but it’s one that heralds more to come, even more swiftly and strongly than the “records are made to be broken” adage holds, perhaps.
....or maybe the person moderating has been well aware of Jeannie for years. Were aspersions cast at Ed Whitlock as he similarly broke age group records?
....or maybe the person moderating has been well aware of Jeannie for years. Were aspersions cast at Ed Whitlock as he similarly broke age group records?
I don’t know about “aspersions”, but yes, questions were raised—by myself.
And Ed came in and answered them personally.
I don’t remember exactly, but iirc I pointed out that nobody knew what supps/hormones etc Ed was possibly using, because he had never broached the topic.
He came in and cleared it up. Simple!
It was a credit to LR for having provided the forum, and to Ed for having participated.
Incredible. Snowbird who splits time between Naples, FL and OH. Started running at 35 to moderate her weight, got down from 3:45 to 3:16 (3:12 PR) but pretty much plateaued. 50-55mpw except for marathon buildup. At the time of this writing (1.5yrs ago), easy day runs at 8:30 pace (close to race pace) with long runs at 8:45 to 9:00 pace.
Jeannie Rice was among headliners in the Age Group World Championships at the London Marathon. She shares how she's faster in her 70s than she was in her 60s.
Maybe, the mods are removing some of your posts because your posts are repetitive, annoying and contribute nothing to the discussion, other than to display your bitterness and envy over your own age-related decline in performance.
Family physicians may be surprised to learn the number of their patients who use performance-enhancing drugs, either deliberately to improve athletic performance or unknowingly through contaminated dietary supplements.
"Elite athletes account for only a small fraction of the approximately 3 million users of ergogenic drugs in the United States.1 Sports organizations have broadened their efforts to detect and deter doping (i.e., the use of performance-enhancing drugs in competitive sports) at all levels of competition, resulting in a surprising number of positive doping test results in masters and recreational level athletes."
Okay Armstronglivs here's your moment of fame. Everyone here already knows that you dope, because you talk about it constantly. So give it a rest. Go crawl back in your hole.
We already all know what you do so you don't need to repeat it all the time like some drunk out laying in the street that doesn't know when to STFU. Just because you're drunk and on drugs doesn't mean that anyone else is.
For one, I'm not and I certainly do know what it's like to be 75 and beyond, which you don't.
People who are healthy like me have no need nor desire to contaminate our pristine bodies with chemically nefarious substances created by big pharma charlatans. I understand that you feel otherwise, but please go away so we won't need to continuously see your vomit spewed out on every thread about every good runner.
If you had something positive to contribute then that would be different, for example I think you made a post about the original shoes that you used. But in lieu of that you apparently don't, so there's no reason to keep posting.
Okay, so there's your moment of fame. Now please go away.
There used to be a Masters column in Running Times (print magazine) every month and it always had stories about people like Jeannie, it was VERY inspiring. It’s a huge loss to not be able to read these stories anymore. Most had started running later in life.
Okay Armstronglivs here's your moment of fame. Everyone here already knows that you dope, because you talk about it constantly. So give it a rest. Go crawl back in your hole.
We already all know what you do so you don't need to repeat it all the time like some drunk out laying in the street that doesn't know when to STFU. Just because you're drunk and on drugs doesn't mean that anyone else is.
For one, I'm not and I certainly do know what it's like to be 75 and beyond, which you don't.
People who are healthy like me have no need nor desire to contaminate our pristine bodies with chemically nefarious substances created by big pharma charlatans. I understand that you feel otherwise, but please go away so we won't need to continuously see your vomit spewed out on every thread about every good runner.
If you had something positive to contribute then that would be different, for example I think you made a post about the original shoes that you used. But in lieu of that you apparently don't, so there's no reason to keep posting.
Okay, so there's your moment of fame. Now please go away.
"Sports organizations have broadened their efforts to detect and deter doping (i.e., the use of performance-enhancing drugs in competitive sports) at all levels of competition, resulting in a surprising number of positive doping test results in masters and recreational level athletes."
But keep your head in the sand, if it's more comfortable there.
Okay Armstronglivs here's your moment of fame. Everyone here already knows that you dope, because you talk about it constantly. So give it a rest. Go crawl back in your hole.
We already all know what you do so you don't need to repeat it all the time like some drunk out laying in the street that doesn't know when to STFU. Just because you're drunk and on drugs doesn't mean that anyone else is.
For one, I'm not and I certainly do know what it's like to be 75 and beyond, which you don't.
People who are healthy like me have no need nor desire to contaminate our pristine bodies with chemically nefarious substances created by big pharma charlatans. I understand that you feel otherwise, but please go away so we won't need to continuously see your vomit spewed out on every thread about every good runner.
If you had something positive to contribute then that would be different, for example I think you made a post about the original shoes that you used. But in lieu of that you apparently don't, so there's no reason to keep posting.
Okay, so there's your moment of fame. Now please go away.
"Sports organizations have broadened their efforts to detect and deter doping (i.e., the use of performance-enhancing drugs in competitive sports) at all levels of competition, resulting in a surprising number of positive doping test results in masters and recreational level athletes."
But keep your head in the sand, if it's more comfortable there.
Major reason I morphed into pickleball from racing was the number of age group aces with poor mechanics running super fast times. Anti-aging doctors will put you on wonder drugs sometimes without you or him even knowing they are illegal.
Get out of racing (notice I said racing) and into pickleball. You can't cheat at pickleball they way you can at racing.
"Sports organizations have broadened their efforts to detect and deter doping (i.e., the use of performance-enhancing drugs in competitive sports) at all levels of competition, resulting in a surprising number of positive doping test results in masters and recreational level athletes."
But keep your head in the sand, if it's more comfortable there.
Major reason I morphed into pickleball from racing was the number of age group aces with poor mechanics running super fast times. Anti-aging doctors will put you on wonder drugs sometimes without you or him even knowing they are illegal.
Get out of racing (notice I said racing) and into pickleball. You can't cheat at pickleball they way you can at racing.
Keep running 3 times a week.
Oh, by the way, Jeannie Francis has fine/solid mechanics and a pop in her step. Of course I don't know what meds she is on, and that is the issue with all age group aces. Maybe she is merely on a multi vitamin; maybe much more than that. Are you willing to train your guts out over such an unknown? My comments are directed to all age group aces, not Jeannie specifically.
Again, abandon racing, but not running. It is just too cheater of a sport.
Hell, pickleball outlawed the hinky serve; what has Lord Coe ever outlawed?
I would speculate good, natural, talent (why can't a woman be like Whitlock?) and maybe some smart use of amino acids.
Her physiological age is lagging way behind her chronological age. That's great genes and healthy living.
This can only happen when there is a time warp. She is in a temporal anomaly. Be careful if you meet her, the time warp field can affect your past and possibly "never-existed" you.
