Just because there is a slippery slope fallacy doesn't mean slippery slopes don't exist.
It's not a coincidence there was a raft of anti-trans bills in the same year Roe was repealed.
The "slippery-slope" is a well known logical fallacy. You have just demonstrated it. One thing does not necessarily or inevitably lead to another unless there is an irrefutable causal connection. Mere association is not enough to prove that. The argument above presumes such a causal connection but does not show it.
So you think peope cant change enough to make trans competing against women fair but at the same time want to pretend they are actually women in all other cases outside of sports? If you deny that transwomen are women in sports you der facto deny that trans exists. Sorry you are a right Wing trans hater
and this highlights very well the problem that liberals have. I consider myself VERY liberal, but make one comment that doesn't fall perfectly in line, and I'm labeled a right wing extremist. Right wingers very much do the same thing, but cut this sh!t out. You're not doing yourself any favors.
To address your comment, how exactly do you define changing "enough"? As I pointed out, if you transition past puberty, you still have the bone structure and musculature of a biological male. What's gonna "change" that?
According to WA and other sports governance bodies - nothing.
Both anti-trans and anti-abortion bills restrict bodily autonomy and healthcare, are all being legislated at the same time, by the same party, in the same states.
Liberalism is the virus. And really, the institution (especially the left) wants to weaken and distract society by doing things such as this, creating controversy. The left also wants to feminise men because strong, intelligent/independent thinking men are a threat to the institution. The institution desires weak, reliant, obedient people to thrive.
Yes, and every single conservative voter attacked the capitol on Jan 6th right? I am liberal as the next guy and can tell you I dont know a single person who is in favor of transgender athletes competing in protected (women's ) division. The majority of leaders are not in favor of it either. It's a tiny minority. We are seeing this issue get fixed but the pace is too slow. Now if you left your basement form time to time you would know all this.
Both anti-trans and anti-abortion bills restrict bodily autonomy and healthcare, are all being legislated at the same time, by the same party, in the same states.
You don't think these things might be linked, no?
They aren't the same. WA holds the view that trans athletes (who have gone through puberty) have no place in women's sport. They do this to maintain the rights of women. WA is not a "red state". Abortion is an unrelated issue. Trans women don't have abortions.
Both anti-trans and anti-abortion bills restrict bodily autonomy and healthcare, are all being legislated at the same time, by the same party, in the same states.
You don't think these things might be linked, no?
Stop with the “murdering preborn babies is healthcare” nonsense.
I've been saying for years, all it takes is someone to bite the bullet and do something like this. Men who don't make the NBA should identify as female and go play in the WNBA. The 500th best NCAA male player would be #1 in the WNBA. Then they'd have to block biological males from competing.
It'll happen eventually. Dudes sitting around after the NCAA tournament, looking at a bleak employment environment will say, "screw it, I'm saying I'm female to make $500k a year in the WNBA." Pretty good deal if you ask me. If they don't block you, you make $500k a year and more over time when you score 50 points a game.
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"This is just one case, they are not taking over sports."
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"This is just one case, they are not taking over sports."
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"This is just one case, they are not taking over sports."
Lia Thomas was the real deal but the rest won’t ever move the needle. The only one that triggered a lawsuit got nowhere in a court in Connecticut.
This thread was initiated by a stupid publicity stunt and the guy that did it is far, far worse than any legitimate transgender athlete.
What does that even mean? You know that 43 year old Laurel Hubbard took an Olympic spot from a young 20 year old lifter, right? There are consequences.
The women who lose out on medals, prize money, scholarships, opportunities, making a team, standing on a podium matter.
I saw this. This is great. We need this to happen in every sport across the board. Would be even better if groups of guys could get together to do it so that every person on the podium is XY. Maybe once people see no woman can come close to competing against men in any sport the stupidity will end.
and this highlights very well the problem that liberals have. I consider myself VERY liberal, but make one comment that doesn't fall perfectly in line, and I'm labeled a right wing extremist. Right wingers very much do the same thing, but cut this sh!t out. You're not doing yourself any favors.
To address your comment, how exactly do you define changing "enough"? As I pointed out, if you transition past puberty, you still have the bone structure and musculature of a biological male. What's gonna "change" that?
Just to clarify: even males who "transition" prior to puberty still have the bone structure of biological males. Males who've been castrated prior to puberty of adolescence still grow to the adult heights typical of males who have not been castrated, and they still have male-shaped pelvises and Q angles.
This is true whether they've been castrated chemically through the GnRH analog drugs now being used as "puberty blockers" on young kids confused and distressed about sex and gender issues, or they've been castrated surgically as in the case of the Italian castrati of the 17th and 18th centuries.
A medical journal paper published in 2022 - "Transgender Girls Grow Tall: Adult Height Is Unaffected by GnRH Analogue and Estradiol Treatment" - shows that males put on "puberty blockers" at or before Tanner Stage 2 to stop their testicles from producing testosterone during adolescence - followed by exogenous estrogen to feminize their outward appearance - still grow to the male-typical adult heights that they would have reached if their development had not been intefered with. This is because, as the authors of the paper admit, the skeletal growth and development of male human beings during puberty of adolescence is driven and determined much more by their male genetics than by their gonadal sex hormones.
Some other important features of male anatomy and physiology that males develop during adolescence that give them a huge advantage over females in most sports appear to be more the consequence of male genetics than the sex hormome testosterone, too.
For example, we know from the experience of the Italian castrati - who usually had their testicles removed when they were 8 or 9 - that castrated males not only grow much taller in height than females, they also develop the much larger and more powerful lungs and thoraxes, and much bigger throat volumes, that allow them to take in and expel much more air than females, and to do so much more easily too. The reason the Italian castrati had such distinctive singing voices is because they had the lungs, thoraxes and throat volumes and power of grown men, but they retained the vocal chords of pre-pubescent boys.
Although this hasn't been studied yet, chances are good that male genes, or male genes plus testosterone - rather than just the sex hormone testosterone alone as some people assume - are behind the adolscent surge in male heart growth that causes older teenage boys and men to have hearts that are 25-38% larger and more powerful than the hearts of females of the same height, weight and stage of development.
Minor-age males who are declared to be transgender as children and then put on "puberty blockers" at 10, 11 or 12 followed by estrogen to alter their outward appearance so it more closely matches their gender identity will probably end up with diminshed muscle mass and different muscle distribution compared to other males. But they still will have male muscles made up of muscle fibers that are greater in number and more densely-packed than females, and which will behave in ways more typical of male muscles than female muscles. Because each and every one of the trillions of nucleated cells that make up their muscles and the rest of their bodies' other tissues, organs, systems including their hormone receptors will still have XY sex chromosomes and the male-determining SRY gene.
The interventions being done nowadays to effect "medical transition" on male minors like Jazz Jennings will cause them to have a feminzed outward appearance in certain notable respects. But it won't actually make them female and give them the host of anatomical and physiological features of females that matter so much in sports, and which cause male and female sports performance levels to be so markedly different.
The reason that Jazz Jennings, now 22, today can say "I was always the best player on every sports team" growing up is that from the time Jazz was a wee child, Jazz's parents used lawsuits or the threat of lawsuits to insure that Jazz always got to play on girls' sports teams. But none of the psychological and medical interventions Jazz has been subjected to over the course of time changed Jazz's sex and removed all the physical features that give males an advantage over females in most sports even before puberty of adolescence.
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Lia Thomas was the real deal but the rest won’t ever move the needle. The only one that triggered a lawsuit got nowhere in a court in Connecticut.
This thread was initiated by a stupid publicity stunt and the guy that did it is far, far worse than any legitimate transgender athlete.
It's not true that the lawsuit filed by female athletes challenging Connecticut's policies that allow males to compete, and dominate, in girls' HS track got nowhere in court.
Yes, the federal judge who originally heard the case dismissed it, and his dismissal was initially held up by a three-member panel of the US Court of Appeals, Second Circuit in a decision issued in December 2022.
But earlier this year, the Second Circuit reversed course, announcing that the the full Court of Appeal had weighed in and decided that case will be re-heard and a new ruling issued, this time by all 13 judges on the Second Circuit.
Just because there is a slippery slope fallacy doesn't mean slippery slopes don't exist.
It's not a coincidence there was a raft of anti-trans bills in the same year Roe was repealed.
The "slippery-slope" is a well known logical fallacy. You have just demonstrated it. One thing does not necessarily or inevitably lead to another unless there is an irrefutable causal connection. Mere association is not enough to prove that. The argument above presumes such a causal connection but does not show it.
Says the person who has proven to be the greatest illiterate troll on this site.
Lia Thomas was the real deal but the rest won’t ever move the needle. The only one that triggered a lawsuit got nowhere in a court in Connecticut.
This thread was initiated by a stupid publicity stunt and the guy that did it is far, far worse than any legitimate transgender athlete.
It's not true that the lawsuit filed by female athletes challenging Connecticut's policies that allow males to compete, and dominate, in girls' HS track got nowhere in court.
Yes, the federal judge who originally heard the case dismissed it, and his dismissal was initially held up by a three-member panel of the US Court of Appeals, Second Circuit in a decision issued in December 2022.
But earlier this year, the Second Circuit reversed course, announcing that the the full Court of Appeal had weighed in and decided that case will be re-heard and a new ruling issued, this time by all 13 judges on the Second Circuit.
A federal appeals court on Monday agreed to reconsider a lawsuit challenging a Connecticut policy allowing transgender students to compete in girls' high school sports.
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