Cameron Myers (3:55 16 yo) Training?

Looks nothing like Ingebrigtsen to me.

Maybe I will be proven wrong but I don’t think he will ever be even close to Jakob. Looks honestly more like Alan Webb or even a way better Drew Hunter to me.

Now the question is will he be able to handle consistent world class mileage and workouts and not get injured ?

Because a lot of people on letsrun seem to think that being good on low mileage means your ceiling is higher, but that’s just not true, high floor doesn’t necessarily correlate to high ceiling.

exactly.

Looks like it will be years before he's shaving

There's no way that the best 800 for a 3.55 miler would be 1.50. At 16 Myers is less than a second slower than Snell and Elliott at their peak. He doesn't train as hard.

*Just over a second. And Snell ran 1.44 on grass.

so he's doing a track session, and a threshold Thursday and im guessing Saturday is more of a threshold effort as well?

Correct^

I agree that looks accurate based on Strava. I was misremembering things from the podcast in my post above. At the 17:30 mark in the podcast:

Friday is a rest day.

Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday are supervised sessions.

Monday is a tempo but not super fast.

Wednesday is a recovery day.

Sunday long run 15-18k.

Other takeaway from the podcast—I don’t love Bobbin. Feels Gjert-y. Possessive of credit for Myers and when asked what other coaches influenced him he said none and that he simply bases his training off his knowledge of the various energy systems being used 🙄

Well, maybe you can find a faster time, but it does indeed look like 1:50.82 is his current PR.

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I don’t doubt that he could probably run faster if thrown in an 800 right now, but I doubt it would be anywhere near the equivalent of 1:44.3 (on grass!). (I’m not sure any current 1500m elite could run that except maybe a healthy peaked Jake Wightman.) Indeed, I would put a decent wager on Myers never running 1:44.3 regardless of how fast the track. According to his coach, he seems more likely to be a 15/5 guy than 8/15.

I’m not saying the details of the training approach (e.g., double threshold, mileage volume, etc.) are super similar; I’m saying they’re both incredibly talented, trained seriously for 6+ years with the same coaching from about 10 years old until their 16 year old performances were achieved, had exceptional older training partners and role models from the beginning of their training, and managed to mostly stay healthy and consistent in their training without major setbacks or time off. (And, unsurprisingly, both Jakob and Myers had a steady natural progression of stellar age-group performances at every age in that timeline.)

Very few kids in the world have all four of those important ingredients working in their favor; and it’s not surprising that genuine outliers like Jakob and Myers do.

Jingy doesn't even save characters over Jakob lmaoooo there's literally no point in ever using it

The point is to bait out comments like yours. His name is Jingy Ingeburritosen.

As I understand it, the main forms of “doping” for endurance athletes allow them to train harder and longer while recovering faster.

In other words, the substances taken do not DIRECTLY change one’s physiology (as with steroids) but instead allow the athlete to increase the volume and intensity of training and still recover adequately.

Given that Myers, as you have yourself noted, does NOT appear to be doing exceptional volume or intensity of training (solid as it is for a young athlete), it’s implausible to think that doping is the explanation here. (Add to that the absurdity of thinking that a random kid from Australia has been doping since elementary or middle school…)

And he definitely doesn’t look like steroids or HGH are in play either.

Combined with the fact that he’s had fast age group times that have consistently improved every year in a linear pattern since the age of 10, the best explanation of his current performance is that:

(1) he’s exceptionally talented with a high natural performance baseline,

(2) he’s been training seriously under good coaching (including a focus on strength training and developing good biomechanics) for 6+ years to consistently and steadily improve that baseline,

(3) he’s had older national-caliber training partners from the beginning of his training (providing invaluable training benefits but also psychological/motivational benefits),

(4) he’s had no major injuries or training setbacks in that 6+ years of serious training.

I’ve only found PBs back a couple years. Do you have times going back further that shows that progression?

You suspect he has added something to his program. How astute!

Yes, he added 1 year of training and one year of maturation, which from 15 to 16 years of age can produce massive changes in a boy's body.

But you don't care. You just want to accuse the boy of doping.

I’m not very familiar with the Australian context and the best resources for finding results. However, here are a few relevant data points:

(1) Myers ran at least as fast as 4:40 for 1500m as an 11-year-old in March 2018. So, basically, a sub-5 miler in 6th grade.

(2) Myers ran at least as fast as 3:54 for 1500m as a 14-year-old in March 2021. So, basically, a 4:12 miler in 9th grade.

(3) His coach said that Myers was already a very competitive athlete at age 10 when he first started training with him.

(4) Myers’ primary training partner, Tomas Palfrey, had a very steady and impressive progression over this time period. See, for example, his 800 and 1500 progression under the same training between 2017 and 2021.

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Jingy shortens "Jakob Ingebrigtsen" and thus makes identifying the athlete more efficient. It's ambiguous to just use the word "Jakob" it could apply to a ton of other athletes:
- Jakob Kiplimo (World XC champ)
- Jakob Wightman (World 1500m champ)
- Jakob Heyward
- Jakob Krop
- Jakob Rayner