I don't know what the aggregate data tells us regarding probability of injury, 100m training versus 400m training. We know that Mike Norman has had injury issues. Injuries or not, training for 100m is more fun than training for 400m. He is a legit f.a.t. sub-9.90 guy.
Kerley, Coleman, Bracy, Bromell, and a host of 9.9-10.1 guys who could theoretically pop a good race at any point too. Now throw in Norman and maybe Lyles. What a doozie!
As much as Lyles wishes, he ain't gonna challenge anyone in the 100M. It's going to be Kerley, Bromell, Bracy, Coleman and Norman to duke it out. Hopefully the training he does do for the 100M will get him at least a 19.2 timing in his 200M.
Many, including myself, did not believe Kerley had a hope in hell at the 100M. He proved us wrong. I am more confident of Norman's ability at the 100M than I was of Kerley's. I believe he will be a superior 100M runner to Kerley. Actually better than Lyles will be. Time will tell.
Norman is certainly better than kerley but I don't know about lyles. Noah is known for his bad starts but that can be fixed with practice and muscle. You can't change top end speed much. Just ask coleman
I do believe Norman is better than Kerley as well, and should therefore be competitive in both the 100M and 200M. Noah's starts are not bad, they are just not explosive enough and his drive phase is too slow to be competitive in the 100M. Look at what Coleman did to him in that 60M race. For every one step, Coleman took three. At 10M, Lyles was already down and could not recover the deficit.
I have no idea why you seem to call Michael Johnson "Ackbar." If you run a 10 low curve in the 200 and finish in 19.32, you can hardly be a mere 9.9 guy. How could a 43 guy "also" be a 9.9 guy but come nowhere close to 19.32? Lyles surely has a worse start but has a 9.86 pr from 2019 and 19.31.
Speaking of Lyles, I cannot believe Google's claim that he is 5'11 154. Surely not, right?
He doesn't care about the glory of breaking the 400 world record, he'd get way more money being the best 100 guy.
Literally nobody who isn't a huge track fan has ever heard of any 400 runners other than Michael Johnson, but the fastest 100 guy is often a pretty well known celeb
He doesn't have a loud personality so he might go under the radar regardless. It's not a given that he'd be a top 4 US 100m runner either. At least in the 400 he was the top guy in the world. So it might actually hurt him financially. I believe Raestake talked about it.
SMH. I feel like as a sport we are getting dumber and dumber. Sir…you in the 100m dash is worth peanuts. You dominating the 400 is worth….you know what 🤣 Never mind. This sport is turning into the circus! Who the hell are y’all financial advisors for your job (events). https://t.co/LsbNVbDlMo
Really guy, all of them, you sure about that? How many 400m cats have 100m speed, who else?
Ever heard of Fred Kerley?
I think most cats that are good at 400m are good at 100m as well. They accelerate very quickly. The problem is that they often need to run more than 100m to catch their prey, as they are limited as to how close they can get before being detected and beginning their sprint. Thus their 100m speed is less relevant to their survival.
I think most cats that are good at 400m are good at 100m as well. They accelerate very quickly. The problem is that they often need to run more than 100m to catch their prey, as they are limited as to how close they can get before being detected and beginning their sprint. Thus their 100m speed is less relevant to their survival.
That simply isn't true, most 400m guys aren't 100m sprinters. The Herb McKenleys Olympic 100 and 400 are very rare.
Been through this a million times. You can search threads for the arguments.
re: 154 lbs…yeah he’s heavier than that, but it is surprising how light some of these guys can be. At York Ben hopped on the changeroom scale when he was big. The result? 180 on the nose (it was still in lbs). I hopped on right after: 184. He was a bit bulkier than me, but cut to all hell. I was blown away by the 180, I was sure he went 190 at least.
How much do you think Gay weighed at his peak form? Or Flake at his maximum in-form bulk? Or Coleman right now? They’re surprisingly light and often thin-boned. Great for power:weight ratio👍
It’s great that Norman will compete in the 100, we will get to see if he can repeat or better his 9.86.
What a US 100m field, they could have the two top 4x1 teams in the world. Don’t sell Kerley short, he’s faster than you think. He’s like a bigger, faster, slightly less quick Coleman, and his improvement and consistency in the 9.7’s has been nothing short of epic. IMO he could hit the AR this year if he stays healthy, and I can’t see Norman at that level in his first serious 100m season.
And Lyles, he’s Carl Lewis 2.0. How many times has he re-run CL’s Tokyo race?! He could easily get lucky and bust a 9.8-low under good conditions, and he’s a determined competitor. Since he’s so close to 19.19 and still improving, I see him as focusing on the 200, with the 100m as secondary. The 200 is his race, like Lewis—who could have had the WR had he run through the line. How great would it be for anyone to better one of Dolt’s records, that would be an instant conferral of historic greatness.
He is on the cusp.
What an embarrassment of sprint riches for the US. Just think about the 200 — Lyles, Knighton, Kerley, Norman , etc—imagine if they all specialized in the distance!
Wow, wtf. Maybe the fastest-ever 100m final this year at nats.
Been through this a million times. You can search threads for the arguments.
re: 154 lbs…yeah he’s heavier than that, but it is surprising how light some of these guys can be. At York Ben hopped on the changeroom scale when he was big. The result? 180 on the nose (it was still in lbs). I hopped on right after: 184. He was a bit bulkier than me, but cut to all hell. I was blown away by the 180, I was sure he went 190 at least.
How much do you think Gay weighed at his peak form? Or Flake at his maximum in-form bulk? Or Coleman right now? They’re surprisingly light and often thin-boned. Great for power:weight ratio👍
It’s great that Norman will compete in the 100, we will get to see if he can repeat or better his 9.86.
What a US 100m field, they could have the two top 4x1 teams in the world. Don’t sell Kerley short, he’s faster than you think. He’s like a bigger, faster, slightly less quick Coleman, and his improvement and consistency in the 9.7’s has been nothing short of epic. IMO he could hit the AR this year if he stays healthy, and I can’t see Norman at that level in his first serious 100m season.
And Lyles, he’s Carl Lewis 2.0. How many times has he re-run CL’s Tokyo race?! He could easily get lucky and bust a 9.8-low under good conditions, and he’s a determined competitor. Since he’s so close to 19.19 and still improving, I see him as focusing on the 200, with the 100m as secondary. The 200 is his race, like Lewis—who could have had the WR had he run through the line. How great would it be for anyone to better one of Dolt’s records, that would be an instant conferral of historic greatness.
He is on the cusp.
What an embarrassment of sprint riches for the US. Just think about the 200 — Lyles, Knighton, Kerley, Norman , etc—imagine if they all specialized in the distance!
Wow, wtf. Maybe the fastest-ever 100m final this year at nats.
The US 200m depth is absurd. Kenny Bednarek, the reigning olympic 200m silver medalist who went on to win a silver medal at worlds, only qualified for the team because we had the bye.
Been through this a million times. You can search threads for the arguments.
re: 154 lbs…yeah he’s heavier than that, but it is surprising how light some of these guys can be. At York Ben hopped on the changeroom scale when he was big. The result? 180 on the nose (it was still in lbs). I hopped on right after: 184. He was a bit bulkier than me, but cut to all hell. I was blown away by the 180, I was sure he went 190 at least.
How much do you think Gay weighed at his peak form? Or Flake at his maximum in-form bulk? Or Coleman right now? They’re surprisingly light and often thin-boned. Great for power:weight ratio👍
It’s great that Norman will compete in the 100, we will get to see if he can repeat or better his 9.86.
What a US 100m field, they could have the two top 4x1 teams in the world. Don’t sell Kerley short, he’s faster than you think. He’s like a bigger, faster, slightly less quick Coleman, and his improvement and consistency in the 9.7’s has been nothing short of epic. IMO he could hit the AR this year if he stays healthy, and I can’t see Norman at that level in his first serious 100m season.
And Lyles, he’s Carl Lewis 2.0. How many times has he re-run CL’s Tokyo race?! He could easily get lucky and bust a 9.8-low under good conditions, and he’s a determined competitor. Since he’s so close to 19.19 and still improving, I see him as focusing on the 200, with the 100m as secondary. The 200 is his race, like Lewis—who could have had the WR had he run through the line. How great would it be for anyone to better one of Dolt’s records, that would be an instant conferral of historic greatness.
He is on the cusp.
What an embarrassment of sprint riches for the US. Just think about the 200 — Lyles, Knighton, Kerley, Norman , etc—imagine if they all specialized in the distance!
Wow, wtf. Maybe the fastest-ever 100m final this year at nats.
The US 200m depth is absurd. Kenny Bednarek, the reigning olympic 200m silver medalist who went on to win a silver medal at worlds, only qualified for the team because we had the bye.
Yeah. As much as I love the 100m, the 200m is a really cool race, especially on a track with a wide turn. It would be so historically huge to see a race with all times better than, say, 19.75. Maybe exclude lanes 1 and 2.
I almost wish that they all focused on the 200. And what an insane 4x2 team the USA could field.
I have no doubt Norman will do very well in the 100m, and he will probably be able to compete many years longer than if he stick with the 400m. Quarter-milers have shorter careers, as the training and racing grind on the body.
But the US just lost one of its few great 400m runners, and he certainly had the potential to break the world record.
Guess we’ll have to wait until Noah Lyles starts running the 400 hehe
The 100M race is won by the athlete who runs fastest between 60-90M. Basically the athlete who can maintain their top speed the longest. Bolt didn't win because he had a great start, he had a mediocre start but is last 40M were WAY better than everyone else.
A 400M race is a race of who race at ~95% of their top speed for the longest. I wouldn't be surprised if Norman races really well at the 100m. The technique to hold your top speed will help him.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Norman trained the whole season for the 100M and then decided to try out a 400M and ran his best time ever. He knows how to race it...maybe improving his top speed will give him the speed endurance to race a fast 100M
The 100M race is won by the athlete who runs fastest between 60-90M. Basically the athlete who can maintain their top speed the longest. Bolt didn't win because he had a great start, he had a mediocre start but is last 40M were WAY better than everyone else.
A 400M race is a race of who race at ~95% of their top speed for the longest. I wouldn't be surprised if Norman races really well at the 100m. The technique to hold your top speed will help him.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Norman trained the whole season for the 100M and then decided to try out a 400M and ran his best time ever. He knows how to race it...maybe improving his top speed will give him the speed endurance to race a fast 100M
Idk how much improving his 100m will help his 400m. 9.86 is already blazing fast for a 400m runner. Plus if he packs on more muscle for the 100m he may fade a bit in the last 100m of the 400m.
However, all these sprinters trying different events just highlight how impressive Lyles and Knighton are. None of these 9.7/9.8 guys can match their top end speed in the final straight of a 200m. The amount of talent Lyles and Knighton have for the 400m is incredible too I wish they’d try that event.
The 100M race is won by the athlete who runs fastest between 60-90M. Basically the athlete who can maintain their top speed the longest. Bolt didn't win because he had a great start, he had a mediocre start but is last 40M were WAY better than everyone else.
A 400M race is a race of who race at ~95% of their top speed for the longest. I wouldn't be surprised if Norman races really well at the 100m. The technique to hold your top speed will help him.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Norman trained the whole season for the 100M and then decided to try out a 400M and ran his best time ever. He knows how to race it...maybe improving his top speed will give him the speed endurance to race a fast 100M
Maurice Greene, Trayvon Bromell, and Christian Coleman would disagree with your 60-90m assertion.
And as to maximizing one’s 400m by training for the 100m… well, who knows, but I’ve never heard of a 400m runner improving by their quarter mile by focusing on the 100m. The reverse can certainly be true, though.