Yes, OP was implying something and is now trying to deny it.
I was discussing an unusual performance. You make assumptions due to a lack of intelligence, much like “Golly gee Terwilliger.” Anyway even if I had been insinuating PED usage, so what?
You need educating. I have explained why your suspicions are unwise. Kinkaid is faster because he is more energy efficient. You are too full of your own opinion to even engage in a sensible debate.
The “whatever is going on” was in reference to the rarity of his “after turning 30” performance BUT as JWH astutely pointed out, there were a couple other examples. Doping is one possibility but I never assumed it had to be the explanation. It appears as if you assume it is the explanation, however…anyway your ego led you to derail the thread.
You got caught. Own up to it. You’re a troublemaker; and now, a liar.
I started a thread about how unusual Woody’s case is. You obviously believe Woody is doping. I guess this thread became a Rorschach test and some of you are convinced Woody is doping…I am not responsible for the assumptions of you folks.
If you are not at all obscure, can you really be relatively obscure?
When he first broke 13, he was more obscure than any of the other 10 Americans when they first broke 13, and it’s not remotely close. This isn’t a slight on him at all. If the OP meant that two days ago he emerged from relative obscurity then I would agree with you, but I don’t think that’s what OP meant.
Not meant to disparage your comment but since when is going sub 13 (back in 2019) and making a U.S. Olympic team obscure? I guess to the casual observer of the sport Kincaid is lesser known, but to the letsrun crowd he is anything but.
If you are not at all obscure, can you really be relatively obscure?
When he first broke 13, he was more obscure than any of the other 10 Americans when they first broke 13, and it’s not remotely close. This isn’t a slight on him at all. If the OP meant that two days ago he emerged from relative obscurity then I would agree with you, but I don’t think that’s what OP meant.
Well said JWH. It seems this thread has been quite provocative which I never intended. If anything I would be open to attack for not having complete facts in my opening post, which you supplied. Do I think Woody is doping? No more or less likely than any other elite runner.
Do I think Woody is doping? No more or less likely than any other elite runner.
I have explained why the doping concept is silly. You and most others have no concept of what is involved in energy terms. It's not difficult to understand, but you have to want to learn.
Are you combining indoor and outdoor records? Only Bekele, Geb, and Komen have run indoor 5K faster at any age.
And when Bekele beat Gebresellasie's 12.50 indoor record, guess who chimed in on these boards to say it was a demonstration of superior running economy?
Mr Running Economy hisself Jack Daniels.
Confusion here over biomechanical and metabolic efficiency...
I believe only 1 other runner in history has run faster than Woody’s 12:51.61 AFTER turning 30. I welcome corrections if necessary.
30 year old Thomas Longosiwa ran 12:49.04 in that epic 5000m in Paris in 2012 which he placed 5th. Again whatever is going on, Woody has come from relative obscurity to doing something which is absolutely astounding.
“Relative obscurity” is far from the case to anyone paying attention.
I think "obscurity" meant "non-factor" in the sport at his new-found level. Prior to this weekend, he was not on Jakob's radar, let's put it that way. Yes, some of us knew him from his UP days, but that doesn't mean he has been keeping Kajelcha or Choge up at night.
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Just wanted to register my opinion that Terwiliger and the glycogen guy are two of the most annoying posters I’ve ever encountered in a purely running thread here. Especially Terwiliger: dude, you could teach a graduate seminar on how to derail a thread with bizarre misreadings and obsessive follow-ups.
“Relative obscurity” is far from the case to anyone paying attention.
I think "obscurity" meant "non-factor" in the sport at his new-found level. Prior to this weekend, he was not on Jakob's radar, let's put it that way. Yes, some of us knew him from his UP days, but that doesn't mean he has been keeping Kajelcha or Choge up at night.
Even with his AR, how much of a threat do we think he is in reality? He can finish fast which helps in a championship, but just like Grant for now, he doesn’t have the times to be competing for much for than 3rd in a faster race. Not saying it can’t happen or he won’t get faster. Just wondering whether that time really puts him on someone like Jakob’s radar.
The ascension of Woody aligns with the ascension of the super spike. An identical timeline.
Could it be that Woody is not just a super shoe responder, but a super shoe super responder?
I personally believe that Woody Kincaid and Josh Thompson are both super shoe responders. Both had breakouts in 2019 when first given prototypes. Centro once said that Josh forgot to bring vaporflies to a workout and couldn't keep up in flats. (This is before most of BTC was wearing vaporflies)
Mo “MF” Farah could’ve done it easily. He was 32/33 when he won gold in Rio.
Mo Farah’s PB is 12:53.11. He started running the 5000m in 2000 and his 5000m career spanned all the way to 2017. He had plenty of opportunities to run fast.
So no…
And that he did running solidly fast to the tune of 6 Gold medals. What's most profound and the reason for his championship style dominance is his 1500 resume running 3:28.8 and multiple sub 3:30s.
Anyway back to Kincaid's thriller. Klecker mentioned that with his new low 12:50 mark he's looking to race tactics for being competitive. Kincaid with two laps seemed to be content with backing off allowing for his no hesitation full kick at 200meters and looked in control. Will be nice watching these two get in some 1500s to help toward championship racing.
Do we get to choose our own definitions of words now, I guess? Any track fan worth their salt knows that Kincaid is not obscure (“not discovered or known about”).
You only started the thread looking for trouble anyway, bud. Go crawl in a hole. *And at least check what you’ve written before sending. It makes you sound like Tarzan.
You do not understand the meaning of the word “relatively.” Kincaid was relatively obscure. Your grasp of the language is tenuous at best. Educating you is tedious.
The dude has made the last 2 US outdoor teams, won the US Olympic trials over 10,000m, and was just the 8th US male to break 13 minutes outdoors for 5,000m.
He isn't "relatively" obscure. If he is, then your definition of "relatively obscure" includes every current American runner except Galen Rupp.
He isn't "relatively" obscure. If he is, then your definition of "relatively obscure" includes every current American runner except Galen Rupp.
Correct, assuming you’re talking about men’s 5000/10,000 runners and excluding Fisher (who, by that standard) emerged from relative obscurity in a global sense last year, even though we were all really impressed with his Foot Locker titles and All-American certificates and so on.
Just wanted to register my opinion that Terwiliger and the glycogen guy are two of the most annoying posters I’ve ever encountered in a purely running thread here. Especially Terwiliger: dude, you could teach a graduate seminar on how to derail a thread with bizarre misreadings and obsessive follow-ups.
Someone else who doesn't understand running economy.