1 3:28.3 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN 2 3:29.0 Josh KERR 3 3:29.2 Jake WIGHTMAN 4 3:29.5 Stewart MCSWEYN 5 3:29.7 Nick WILLIS 6 3:29.7 Steve CRAM 7 3:29.8 Sebastian COE
Yikes! That is the most race-based list ever. Do you really think that or are you trying to troll people? If Yared Nuguse runs 3:28 someday, will you include him on your list?
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1 3:28.3 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN 2 3:29.0 Josh KERR 3 3:29.2 Jake WIGHTMAN 4 3:29.5 Stewart MCSWEYN 5 3:29.7 Nick WILLIS 6 3:29.7 Steve CRAM 7 3:29.8 Sebastian COE
tell me you are racist without telling me you are racist
Meanwhile, Slowerr argues in another thread that Kenyans are closer genetically to cheetahs than humans, and only myself and ArmstrongLivs call him out.
No doubt one or two of the 7 names I listed above were/are doping, and perhaps one or two of the Africans weren't doping.The truth is, going by objective evidence such as confirmed busts, huge financial disparity in incentive to dope, everyday corruption etc, that on the balance of probability no East African elite runner is or was clean in the last 30 years. I don't care if that's 'racist' to you. Call out the guy who is stating that Kenyans have the brain capacity of cheetahs to justify Western managers doping them from their teens and I'll take seriously the possibility you're not just a race card abusing white virtue signaller.
1 3:28.3 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN 2 3:29.0 Josh KERR 3 3:29.2 Jake WIGHTMAN 4 3:29.5 Stewart MCSWEYN 5 3:29.7 Nick WILLIS 6 3:29.7 Steve CRAM 7 3:29.8 Sebastian COE
Yikes! That is the most race-based list ever. Do you really think that or are you trying to troll people? If Yared Nuguse runs 3:28 someday, will you include him on your list?
Are you serious? I can't detect any race-based selection here.
The truth is, going by objective evidence such as confirmed busts, huge financial disparity in incentive to dope, everyday corruption etc, that on the balance of probability no East African elite runner is or was clean in the last 30 years.
I’m shocked that a racist would be so woeful at statistics.
I don’t see this at all. A 20 year old Kenyan who goes from 3:30.3 to 3:43.4y in one year, still the second fastest mile of all time, at the height of the EPO era? Who that same year runs 2:11.96 for 1K with crazy splits of 49.7/1:44.6, coming into the race with a 1:46.5 800 PB and then never running faster than 1:44.49 for 800 in his life? Who outkicks two of your 20-80 guys in El G and Lagat to win Olympic gold? He seems as sketchy as anyone who hasn’t actually been sanctioned for a positive test.
I mean he had an incredible breakthrough in an amazing season if that’s what you’re saying. In 1998, he was still a pacemaker half the time if you can believe that. He led the first 1200 of El Guerrouj’s 1500 WR. The 3:43.4 is an outlier performance in his career as he was more typically a 3:28 type guy. The 800 stuff he only ran the event in the summer in 2000, when he was rolling in 1998-1999 he opted for running it in Australia in Feb/March and attacked the 1,000. His Sydney win had parallels to Wightman beating Jakob. I see most of your allegation being this guy was too good to be true vs. he associated with sketchy person X and was under secretive training in a state-sponsored system. In reality, he trained under Kim McDonald in London, Australia and Palo Alto with numerous contemporaneous athletes (Bob Kennedy, lesser names who’ve posted on this board) joining the group at times. If anything, it seems the training/racing schedule was often unsustainably hard and led to short careers/burnout.
I don’t see this at all. A 20 year old Kenyan who goes from 3:30.3 to 3:43.4y in one year, still the second fastest mile of all time, at the height of the EPO era? Who that same year runs 2:11.96 for 1K with crazy splits of 49.7/1:44.6, coming into the race with a 1:46.5 800 PB and then never running faster than 1:44.49 for 800 in his life? Who outkicks two of your 20-80 guys in El G and Lagat to win Olympic gold? He seems as sketchy as anyone who hasn’t actually been sanctioned for a positive test.
I mean he had an incredible breakthrough in an amazing season if that’s what you’re saying. In 1998, he was still a pacemaker half the time if you can believe that. He led the first 1200 of El Guerrouj’s 1500 WR. The 3:43.4 is an outlier performance in his career as he was more typically a 3:28 type guy. The 800 stuff he only ran the event in the summer in 2000, when he was rolling in 1998-1999 he opted for running it in Australia in Feb/March and attacked the 1,000. His Sydney win had parallels to Wightman beating Jakob. I see most of your allegation being this guy was too good to be true vs. he associated with sketchy person X and was under secretive training in a state-sponsored system. In reality, he trained under Kim McDonald in London, Australia and Palo Alto with numerous contemporaneous athletes (Bob Kennedy, lesser names who’ve posted on this board) joining the group at times. If anything, it seems the training/racing schedule was often unsustainably hard and led to short careers/burnout.
We’re talking about a dude who ran 2:11.96 (with suicidal pacing) 48 hours after winning the Van Damme meet in 3:29.19. Why does he need to have been part of a secretive group for that to be suspicious?
And if you want to talk about association with sketchy individuals, Noah was teammates with Daniel Komen lol. I’m surprised you think he was more likely clean than dirty.
We’re talking about a dude who ran 2:11.96 (with suicidal pacing) 48 hours after winning the Van Damme meet in 3:29.19. Why does he need to have been part of a secretive group for that to be suspicious?
And if you want to talk about association with sketchy individuals, Noah was teammates with Daniel Komen lol. I’m surprised you think he was more likely clean than dirty.
So another guy people think was dirty because he ran fast…Again if you want to make the exercise just who runs too fast for your liking then that is fine. Most of the top guys however have shadier factors than that.
tell me you are racist without telling me you are racist
Meanwhile, Slowerr argues in another thread that Kenyans are closer genetically to cheetahs than humans, and only myself and ArmstrongLivs call him out.
No doubt one or two of the 7 names I listed above were/are doping, and perhaps one or two of the Africans weren't doping.The truth is, going by objective evidence such as confirmed busts, huge financial disparity in incentive to dope, everyday corruption etc, that on the balance of probability no East African elite runner is or was clean in the last 30 years. I don't care if that's 'racist' to you. Call out the guy who is stating that Kenyans have the brain capacity of cheetahs to justify Western managers doping them from their teens and I'll take seriously the possibility you're not just a race card abusing white virtue signaller.
"Kenyans are closer genetically to cheetahs than humans"
What do you want to say, Coevett:
That
Kenyans are closer genetically to cheetahs than Kenyans are to humans?
or
that
Kenyans are closer genetically to cheetahs than humans are to cheetahs?
From both possible interpretations of YOUR sentence ("Slowerr" has not said it) follows that Kenyans are not humans. This seems to be your point of view.
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