Looked like he had a good bit left in him. His start was really weird. He hesitated. Then he decided to let Jones take the lead and blasted past him at the end.
This was run at altitude in Albuquerque. One altitude conversion has it worth 1:14.5.
Sumner doesn't look as fluid as Jones, but he has a lot more endurance and takes it at the end. That gives confidence that he'll have the edge at 800m as well.
Let me make sure I'm understanding this - You are guaranteeing he will 100% be as good as a world champion? No doubt the kid is a SUPER talent but that your comment is hyperbole.
He will run as fast. I clarified that in a later comment In this thread. Of course nothing is a given. Some of you do not recognize how good this 600m is for a college frosh.
Agree
And he looked like he can go out in 48 high and get to 1:14 in just this race. Just imagine after a year of collegiate training if this is January of Fr. year.
Looked like he had a good bit left in him. His start was really weird. He hesitated. Then he decided to let Jones take the lead and blasted past him at the end.
Yep. He is looking like 1:45 indoors, 1:44 outdoors this year, if he stays healthy. Him v. Flatt gonna be a burner.
This was run at altitude in Albuquerque. One altitude conversion has it worth 1:14.5.
Sumner doesn't look as fluid as Jones, but he has a lot more endurance and takes it at the end. That gives confidence that he'll have the edge at 800m as well.
Altitude is not detrimental over 600m, I’d argue it may be a hair beneficial. Source: sitting in Albuquerque right now.
This was run at altitude in Albuquerque. One altitude conversion has it worth 1:14.5.
Sumner doesn't look as fluid as Jones, but he has a lot more endurance and takes it at the end. That gives confidence that he'll have the edge at 800m as well.
Altitude is not detrimental over 600m, I’d argue it may be a hair beneficial. Source: sitting in Albuquerque right now.
Yes I agree the altitude is probably close to a wash at 600m. What it giveth it taketh away.
Looked like he had a good bit left in him. His start was really weird. He hesitated. Then he decided to let Jones take the lead and blasted past him at the end.
Yeah he runs 114 high if he takes the lead at 200m and pushes himself.
Looked like he had a good bit left in him. His start was really weird. He hesitated. Then he decided to let Jones take the lead and blasted past him at the end.
Yeah he runs 114 high if he takes the lead at 200m and pushes himself.
That last 70m was impressive.
Probably, but he chose a smart race plan to win. In a 600, it is easy to rig from the front just like Jones did. Sumner got to draft, barely ran anything extra and because the race was well spread-out he was able to run unimpeded with a full stride in lane 1. It was a strategic race to win, and it makes sense to let the guys who's run 44 and is likely to go out pretty hard and key off of him. His splits look like ~ 23.4, 49.5 (26.1), 1:15.3 (25.8). So yeah if he's going for 1:14 or something probably something like 23.5/49.0/1:14.5 is probably better.
This was run at altitude in Albuquerque. One altitude conversion has it worth 1:14.5.
Sumner doesn't look as fluid as Jones, but he has a lot more endurance and takes it at the end. That gives confidence that he'll have the edge at 800m as well.
Altitude is not detrimental over 600m, I’d argue it may be a hair beneficial. Source: sitting in Albuquerque right now.
Yeah he runs 114 high if he takes the lead at 200m and pushes himself.
That last 70m was impressive.
Probably, but he chose a smart race plan to win. In a 600, it is easy to rig from the front just like Jones did. Sumner got to draft, barely ran anything extra and because the race was well spread-out he was able to run unimpeded with a full stride in lane 1. It was a strategic race to win, and it makes sense to let the guys who's run 44 and is likely to go out pretty hard and key off of him. His splits look like ~ 23.4, 49.5 (26.1), 1:15.3 (25.8). So yeah if he's going for 1:14 or something probably something like 23.5/49.0/1:14.5 is probably better.
I'm not sure why you think him going through 400m 0.5 seconds faster means he's going to also close 0.3 seconds faster? Don't get me wrong, I think there's a 1:14 in there with the right race, but I don't think the logic of your splits really adds up.
Probably, but he chose a smart race plan to win. In a 600, it is easy to rig from the front just like Jones did. Sumner got to draft, barely ran anything extra and because the race was well spread-out he was able to run unimpeded with a full stride in lane 1. It was a strategic race to win, and it makes sense to let the guys who's run 44 and is likely to go out pretty hard and key off of him. His splits look like ~ 23.4, 49.5 (26.1), 1:15.3 (25.8). So yeah if he's going for 1:14 or something probably something like 23.5/49.0/1:14.5 is probably better.
I'm not sure why you think him going through 400m 0.5 seconds faster means he's going to also close 0.3 seconds faster? Don't get me wrong, I think there's a 1:14 in there with the right race, but I don't think the logic of your splits really adds up.
Because the best runs 400m-800m are (closely) positively split and you get dragged to a faster time.
I'm not sure why you think him going through 400m 0.5 seconds faster means he's going to also close 0.3 seconds faster? Don't get me wrong, I think there's a 1:14 in there with the right race, but I don't think the logic of your splits really adds up.
He was patient and held back the last lap. Running more even after a slightly more restrained first 200 is the way to go. Maybe I should’ve made it more like 23.8 the first lap.
No one has mentioned yet that the Georgia 4x4 is going to be crazy fast!
I know who I would put on anchor....
Godwin? I think Boling is the best to leadoff. He always runs 0.5 faster than normal when he leads off. So for me its Boling, Sumner, Morales(based off his 33.23 i think he has more upside over Cavanaugh), Godwin.
This was run at altitude in Albuquerque. One altitude conversion has it worth 1:14.5.
Sumner doesn't look as fluid as Jones, but he has a lot more endurance and takes it at the end. That gives confidence that he'll have the edge at 800m as well.
Altitude is not detrimental over 600m, I’d argue it may be a hair beneficial. Source: sitting in Albuquerque right now.
I disagree, and so does the NCAA altitude conversion (for 800m, I didn't find one for 600m), which is based on a lot of data. I trained in Albuquerque and found a big impact for anything aerobic, and even the 600m has a big aerobic component--800m even more.
Godwin? I think Boling is the best to leadoff. He always runs 0.5 faster than normal when he leads off. So for me its Boling, Sumner, Morales(based off his 33.23 i think he has more upside over Cavanaugh), Godwin.
I think Godwin is a better leadoff. He did lead off at the world champs for their 2:56 squad in 44 low so there's that.
I mean Bizimana is Jones training partner after all. And Jones still has the 4th fastest time in collegiate history at 1:15.12 if he runs the 600 again he definitely going 1:14. I think that loss to sumner left a bad taste in his mouth.
Totally speculation that because he lost to Sumner, that he is going 1:14, seriously. He very well might, but that is more a function of what he is/was capable of yesterday than just losing to Sumner.
I mean assuming sumner is ready to vie for a national title or go 1:44 is also speculation but that narrative is being thrown around loosely. Sumner ran the better race and sat behind jones never the less three guys went 1:15 this early on the right track and with the perfect field 1:14 is surely possible. Sumner is a junior middle distnace titan. Jones just returned to the event last year and led the ncaa all season in 2022. I bank on jones off experience and PR