Woody Kincaid training under Mike Smith?

Dirtrunner · 2023-01-20T17:08:08-05:00

Purely speculation, but I've noticed a couple times now Drew Bosley mentioning doing a workout with Woody Kincaid (Luis Grijalva and Abdihamid Nur both being mentioned as well) on his strava. It seems apparent he has left bowerman, so it would not be a shock considering the success Mike Smith has had with his pros.

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3 years ago 01/26/2023 3:12pm EST

re: Woodsy

FYI, I reached out to Woody Kincaid's agent Dan Lilot about this. Here's what he texted me and Sarah Lorge Butler from Runner's World:

He had a bit of an injury scare this fall, which prompted him to go back home to Colorado to get treatment at the USOPC Center in Colorado Springs. The injury turned out to be minor, and he had a great fall of training. He's been in Flagstaff this month, mostly training with Mike Smith's guys. Things are going well, and he's looking forward to the Terrier 5000 Friday night, as well as at least one more indoor race, and then possibly a few longer races in March. Eventually he will figure out his longer term training/coaching situation. All options are still on the table.
I guess the best way I can put it is that he's taking a bit of a running Rumschpringe, with an eye toward gathering info on what might be the best fit for the remainder of his career, especially with a possible move to the marathon after Paris. Bowerman could very well still end up being the best fit, but I don't believe he'll be competing in the BTC kit on Friday.

FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 3:29pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Actual reporting!?!?!

3 years ago 01/26/2023 3:31pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Jonathan Gault wrote:
FYI, I reached out to Woody Kincaid's agent Dan Lilot about this. Here's what he texted me and Sarah Lorge Butler from Runner's World:
He had a bit of an injury scare this fall, which prompted him to go back home to Colorado to get treatment at the USOPC Center in Colorado Springs. The injury turned out to be minor, and he had a great fall of training. He's been in Flagstaff this month, mostly training with Mike Smith's guys. Things are going well, and he's looking forward to the Terrier 5000 Friday night, as well as at least one more indoor race, and then possibly a few longer races in March. Eventually he will figure out his longer term training/coaching situation. All options are still on the table.
I guess the best way I can put it is that he's taking a bit of a running Rumschpringe, with an eye toward gathering info on what might be the best fit for the remainder of his career, especially with a possible move to the marathon after Paris. Bowerman could very well still end up being the best fit, but I don't believe he'll be competing in the BTC kit on Friday.
FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.

Does this mean we're going to see Woody return to the track wearing BYU colors in the NCAA?

I think he only competed for 5 seasons at Portland when he got his undergraduate and graduate degrees (2011-16), so that should still give him 2, maybe 3 years of NCAA eligibility left to run for BYU.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 3:33pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Thank you, Jonathan!

3 years ago 01/26/2023 3:44pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Jonathan Gault wrote:
FYI, I reached out to Woody Kincaid's agent Dan Lilot about this. Here's what he texted me and Sarah Lorge Butler from Runner's World:
He had a bit of an injury scare this fall, which prompted him to go back home to Colorado to get treatment at the USOPC Center in Colorado Springs. The injury turned out to be minor, and he had a great fall of training. He's been in Flagstaff this month, mostly training with Mike Smith's guys. Things are going well, and he's looking forward to the Terrier 5000 Friday night, as well as at least one more indoor race, and then possibly a few longer races in March. Eventually he will figure out his longer term training/coaching situation. All options are still on the table.
I guess the best way I can put it is that he's taking a bit of a running Rumschpringe, with an eye toward gathering info on what might be the best fit for the remainder of his career, especially with a possible move to the marathon after Paris. Bowerman could very well still end up being the best fit, but I don't believe he'll be competing in the BTC kit on Friday.
FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.

Thank you Jonathan,

This is agent talk for WOODY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT.

The agent feels that it is smart negotiating to say that the client is weighing their options. Lilot even carried it a step further saying that he plans to move up to the marathon after 2024. Again trying to make the client more marketable.

The truth is that Woody has a difficult time keeping his head into things for 10,000 meters. We all witnessed that this year at Pre. A marathon would be a disaster.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 4:07pm EST

re: Agent Speak

Woody seemed to have his right for the 10000 when he beat GF and finished respectably at the olympics in the heat and humidity, one off race doesn't show a pattern. Will be interesting to see how he does at the half/full marathon. The only american's with sub 2720 and sub 13 prs have competed well at the marathon (ritz, rupp), but then again there are guys with those prs who don't thrive at the marathon. Will be interesting to see if his innate physiological talents adapts well to the longer distances. The flagstaff group seems like a good training environment with nur and grivalga and the nau guys.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 4:21pm EST

re: Agent Speak

Agent Speak wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:
FYI, I reached out to Woody Kincaid's agent Dan Lilot about this. Here's what he texted me and Sarah Lorge Butler from Runner's World:
He had a bit of an injury scare this fall, which prompted him to go back home to Colorado to get treatment at the USOPC Center in Colorado Springs. The injury turned out to be minor, and he had a great fall of training. He's been in Flagstaff this month, mostly training with Mike Smith's guys. Things are going well, and he's looking forward to the Terrier 5000 Friday night, as well as at least one more indoor race, and then possibly a few longer races in March. Eventually he will figure out his longer term training/coaching situation. All options are still on the table.
I guess the best way I can put it is that he's taking a bit of a running Rumschpringe, with an eye toward gathering info on what might be the best fit for the remainder of his career, especially with a possible move to the marathon after Paris. Bowerman could very well still end up being the best fit, but I don't believe he'll be competing in the BTC kit on Friday.
FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.
Thank you Jonathan,
This is agent talk for WOODY CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A CONTRACT.
The agent feels that it is smart negotiating to say that the client is weighing their options. Lilot even carried it a step further saying that he plans to move up to the marathon after 2024. Again trying to make the client more marketable.
The truth is that Woody has a difficult time keeping his head into things for 10,000 meters. We all witnessed that this year at Pre. A marathon would be a disaster.

Not true. Still under contract with Nike. Why do people just feel free to make shît up here? And people will take what you say as truth- it’s not. Not cool.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 4:52pm EST

re: In the brochure

That means Nike has first right of refusal. Not necessarily a contract.
He is still in negotiations.

Woody has the best kick in the country but he doesn’t have the mindset to hang with a fast pace. Yes he can out kick GF in a 27:45 race but he will be a 200 down in a 27:00 race.
This has always been the case and doesn’t play well in the marathon.

3 years ago 01/26/2023 5:23pm EST

re: Agent Speak

Can also confirm he’s still under contract with Nike. He’s just frustrated with Bowerman and Jerry not prioritizing the pro guys enough / moving to Eugene.

Agreed he won’t be a good fit for the marathon. Could see him running some solid 10 mile or half times, but he really isn’t a marathoner.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 3:55pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Jonathan Gault wrote:
FYI, I reached out to Woody Kincaid's agent Dan Lilot about this. Here's what he texted me and Sarah Lorge Butler from Runner's World:
He had a bit of an injury scare this fall, which prompted him to go back home to Colorado to get treatment at the USOPC Center in Colorado Springs. The injury turned out to be minor, and he had a great fall of training. He's been in Flagstaff this month, mostly training with Mike Smith's guys. Things are going well, and he's looking forward to the Terrier 5000 Friday night, as well as at least one more indoor race, and then possibly a few longer races in March. Eventually he will figure out his longer term training/coaching situation. All options are still on the table.
I guess the best way I can put it is that he's taking a bit of a running Rumschpringe, with an eye toward gathering info on what might be the best fit for the remainder of his career, especially with a possible move to the marathon after Paris. Bowerman could very well still end up being the best fit, but I don't believe he'll be competing in the BTC kit on Friday.
FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.

Word has it that Woody has returned with a bushy Amish beard and will be sponsored by Lucky Brand overalls, provided he wears them in one race.

When asked how the experience to Amish country has rounded his outlook on training and running, Woody replied, "An ounce of work is worth a ton of wishing.” After considering his comment, he added, “A round wife and a full barn are the signs of good success."

This author thinks Woody's hay is definitely in the barn. Look for a promising season.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 7:47pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Would like this. It was weird to me listening to a Woody interview when he admitted that Grant/Mo would routinely kick his ass in workouts and he would have to cut them short of the prescribed length. Of course, there was also him overruling Jerry into pacing the very fast 10,000 instead of just running it and setting a huge PB. I feel like he was too often a “team player” in Bowerman and had maybe a lower opinion of himself than he should’ve had.

What a world of difference it made today…Unbelievable performance.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 7:49pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

let's be honest, Woody is a sandbagger and nobody likes him

3 years ago 01/27/2023 7:49pm EST

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

Holy crap Woody crushed Klecker, who had a great race of course.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 8:19pm EST

re: Jonathan Gault

Jonathan Gault wrote:
FYI for those not familiar with a Rumspringe, it's when an Amish person enters their late teenage years and they're given a chance to experience the real world and live with some loosened restrictions. Then they get to choose if they want to stay in the Amish community or leave it completely.

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3 years ago 01/27/2023 8:45pm EST

re: adobe

adobe wrote:
let's be honest, Woody is a sandbagger and nobody likes him

Let’s be honest, you need a good kick in the arse. You’ll struggle to find anyone in the US scene that dislikes Kincaid.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 8:48pm EST

re: Agent Speak

Agent Speak wrote:
That means Nike has first right of refusal. Not necessarily a contract.
He is still in negotiations.
Woody has the best kick in the country but he doesn’t have the mindset to hang with a fast pace. Yes he can out kick GF in a 27:45 race but he will be a 200 down in a 27:00 race.
This has always been the case and doesn’t play well in the marathon.

Listed as “Nike” today in Boston. For the sake of athletes, I hope you’re not really an agent. People that think they’re smarter than they are, are extremely dangerous.

3 years ago 01/27/2023 9:01pm EST

re: High hopes

More could also join too. There’s plenty of fresh talent from the NCAA that would love to train with guys like Teare and fisher .

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