There's plenty more that could be done BEYOND the status quo of taking the athletes'excuses at face value and allowing roughly three evasions every year with no ramifications.
Indeed. Not coming out of the airport, claiming one didn't hear the doorbell or one went shopping by mistake should be treated as test evasion, not as an inadvertently missed test.
Because nobody ever doesn’t hear the doorbell or goes shopping do they?
D-. An idea, but not a good one. Needs more work and. And some thought.
Wonder how this would work in Kenya where athletes are given a few days prior notice of drugs testing as it is [Link: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2016/03/26/kenya-doping-drug-tests-track-and-field/]. Also there have been documented close links between athletes and the testers there which throws credibility of the whole system over there into question. No doubting the talent in Keyna, but p*ss poor drug testing system and doping hotspot as a result. Different rules compared to counterparts elsewhere. Athletics Kenya getting great mileage out of that ongoing free pass from WADA and World Athletics.
Wonder how this would work in Kenya where athletes are given a few days prior notice of drugs testing as it is [Link: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2016/03/26/kenya-doping-drug-tests-track-and-field/]. Also there have been documented close links between athletes and the testers there which throws credibility of the whole system over there into question. No doubting the talent in Keyna, but p*ss poor drug testing system and doping hotspot as a result. Different rules compared to counterparts elsewhere. Athletics Kenya getting great mileage out of that ongoing free pass from WADA and World Athletics.
Why are any athletes given advance notice? Isn't advance notice given in US as well?
A missed test should lead to testing on the next day, with the addition of blood and hair samples being collected and enhanced laboratory testing. The additional cost should be billed to the athlete, with non-payment within a month considered a further violation.
The bolded is an awful idea. Many athletes are near the poverty line. It makes being poor an anti-doping violation.
The rest of this discussion makes a lot of sense—and the logistical hurdles can be cleared with appropriate resources.
My heart bleeds. Don’t care if an athlete is dumpster diving for Egg McMuffins. If they miss a test, they should pay and get the works - urine, blood, hair, whatever. Semen too if it matters. Especially semen.
Ok I’m kidding about the last part. But you get the point. A missed test should result in the suspension, and much more intrusive testing to discover if the athlete is missing it because they’re on something.
I ordered something relatively expensive for my spouse for Christmas that was delivered by a third-party trucking service. Two weeks after ordering, I got a call from the company that said they could be in my area tomorrow, sometime between 10am-4pm. I worked from home, did my run on the treadmill, told my coworkers I might have to hop off a call unannounced, and checked every time a truck came down the road to make sure I didn't miss their delivery window because it was important to me.
I understand things happen, but it made me think how insane three whereabouts failures would be. If my livelihood literally depended on not missing that delivery three times in a year, I can guarantee I wouldn't. Makes me extremely, extremely skeptical of those with 2+ whereabouts failures.
Indeed. Not coming out of the airport, claiming one didn't hear the doorbell or one went shopping by mistake should be treated as test evasion, not as an inadvertently missed test.
Because nobody ever doesn’t hear the doorbell or goes shopping do they?
D-. An idea, but not a good one. Needs more work and. And some thought.
Hold on. About the doorbell, remember that the tester is trying for a full 60 minutes to get your attention, including ringing the doorbell multiple times + knocking + shouting + (depending on the NADO) trying to call your phone. It can't be just one loud song on the radio.
About shopping, you can go shopping 23 hours per day, every day, but not during the one special hour you set aside for being available.
Wonder how this would work in Kenya where athletes are given a few days prior notice of drugs testing as it is [Link: https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2016/03/26/kenya-doping-drug-tests-track-and-field/]. Also there have been documented close links between athletes and the testers there which throws credibility of the whole system over there into question. No doubting the talent in Keyna, but p*ss poor drug testing system and doping hotspot as a result. Different rules compared to counterparts elsewhere. Athletics Kenya getting great mileage out of that ongoing free pass from WADA and World Athletics.
That is why AIU is catching all the Kenya athletes and not Kenya.
I like this idea but at the same time there has to be some kind of limit to it. Otherwise people can decline the first test, then they KNOW the next day they will be tested, so then the test they take is with foreknowledge... which may lead to people being able to evade detection. Someone shouldn't be able to always pass test on 2nd or 3rd try etc. Maybe they will build something into the guidelines to prevent this. It's better than the current system though.
Yeah, don't see how giving dopers second and third chances "toughens" the whereabouts rule. With DUIs, if a test is refused, it's taken as an admission of guilt. Imagine how many positive DUI tests there'd be if the suspect could refuse the first and second requests and cops would be required to wait 6 hours between requests.
I like this idea but at the same time there has to be some kind of limit to it. Otherwise people can decline the first test, then they KNOW the next day they will be tested, so then the test they take is with foreknowledge... which may lead to people being able to evade detection. Someone shouldn't be able to always pass test on 2nd or 3rd try etc. Maybe they will build something into the guidelines to prevent this. It's better than the current system though.
Yeah, don't see how giving dopers second and third chances "toughens" the whereabouts rule. With DUIs, if a test is refused, it's taken as an admission of guilt. Imagine how many positive DUI tests there'd be if the suspect could refuse the first and second requests and cops would be required to wait 6 hours between requests.
Another poster with no idea what they are talking about. This isn't a replacement to the whereabouts rule, its additive. You still get the one strike for missing the test, they would just come back the next day, potentially strike 2
The whole whereabouts system seems so dumb, and an unnecessary stressor on athletes. Randolph Ross for example…misses a drug test because he was in Eugene competing. Why not just send the athlete a notification on their phone and they have 3 hours to get to a LabCorp site and piss in a cup
Because testers aren't just robots that hang out at athletes front doors. They have other work to do, other people to test, deadlines to meet, homelife, etc... Not to mention the extra cost of hotels, meals and changing flights last minute.
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Get rid of the whole drug-testing system, quit wasting valueable monetary resources on it, and restore athlete's rights to live life as they see fit to eat and drink. If they must test, go back to testing at major events. No more.
Anyone that makes a living off of watching other people pee are pathetic human beings.
What about going a step further. Everyone has a whereabouts app on their own. What about having this app automatically come on during the one hour testing window and report to the testers where the phone is using GPS location.
Yes people can claim they are asleep or don't have their phone but....
I like this idea but at the same time there has to be some kind of limit to it. Otherwise people can decline the first test, then they KNOW the next day they will be tested, so then the test they take is with foreknowledge... which may lead to people being able to evade detection. Someone shouldn't be able to always pass test on 2nd or 3rd try etc. Maybe they will build something into the guidelines to prevent this. It's better than the current system though.
Agreed. Dick’s solution is a dumb one. If there was no punishment for missing a test unless you don’t make it the next day or day after that, everyone who dopes would miss the first test 100% of the time and wait 2 days to give themselves more time to get it flushed out of their system. What a bad idea. Why are we trying to make it easier for people to cheat?
100% Often it's a matter of hours to clear stuff that would be undetectable. Tyler Hamilton (cyclist) talks in his book how it was common to pretend not being at home when testers knocked because they were "glowing" that day.
What about going a step further. Everyone has a whereabouts app on their own. What about having this app automatically come on during the one hour testing window and report to the testers where the phone is using GPS location.
Yes people can claim they are asleep or don't have their phone but....
Or is this too much of an invasion of privacy?
Yes; gross invasion . Pound accepts human rights laws apply esp in Europe.
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