Coe sure sucked over 3000-10,000m for running 120 miles a week.. but he's probably embellishing because he had pretty poor endurance, a pure speed cat.
This is another Coe myth. In fact, he was competitive at longer distances when he wanted to be -- he beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles on the road in 17:56, a time superior to his 14:06 5000m PR.
I faintly remember article in T&F News back in the 78-80's about Coe only doing 50 mpw during racing season and maybe hit a high of 78 mpw....during the off season...and some of the unusual training methods his father used...counting the number of strides for a 200 and such...there was one where on TV his father is driving him out to the start of repeat 2000's on the road...driving past Coe(son) to the finish, to time him and repeat, how many times idk.
Coe sure sucked over 3000-10,000m for running 120 miles a week.. but he's probably embellishing because he had pretty poor endurance, a pure speed cat.
This is another Coe myth. In fact, he was competitive at longer distances when he wanted to be -- he beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles on the road in 17:56, a time superior to his 14:06 5000m PR.
Not a Coe myth, this is an absolute fact, per World Athletics profiles. Look at Jakob, look at any other strength-based miler.. Coe just could not race 3000-10,000m at all. No one cares about that "4" mile road run.
This is another Coe myth. In fact, he was competitive at longer distances when he wanted to be -- he beat Coghlan and McLeod over 4 miles on the road in 17:56, a time superior to his 14:06 5000m PR.
Not a Coe myth, this is an absolute fact, per World Athletics profiles. Look at Jakob, look at any other strength-based miler.. Coe just could not race 3000-10,000m at all. No one cares about that "4" mile road run.
Come on "doobie" (Deanouk) concludes from this road time 7:25 + 12:45 + 26:30 endurance. If Coe wanted!!
Seb Coe is the best thing to ever happen to this sport. The most aesthetically pleasing runner ever, tied with Kipketer, Rudisha, and Komen. Times that STILL stand up today from 800m to the mile, super shoes be damned. One of the few global sports bosses with the BALLS to stand up to the insanity that is DSD and trans athletes in women’s sport. Three resounding cheers for Sebastian MF Newbold Coe, absolute LEGEND.
Seb Coe is the best thing to ever happen to this sport. The most aesthetically pleasing runner ever, tied with Kipketer, Rudisha, and Komen. Times that STILL stand up today from 800m to the mile, super shoes be damned. One of the few global sports bosses with the BALLS to stand up to the insanity that is DSD and trans athletes in women’s sport. Three resounding cheers for Sebastian MF Newbold Coe, absolute LEGEND.
Sebastian Coe is obviously not a great man. He wants to be but he doesn’t have the courage to be. He also pretty clearly doped and then acts so righteous on the subject. He was a great runner but doping allowed him to be ahead of his time.
Seb Coe is the best thing to ever happen to this sport. The most aesthetically pleasing runner ever, tied with Kipketer, Rudisha, and Komen. Times that STILL stand up today from 800m to the mile, super shoes be damned. One of the few global sports bosses with the BALLS to stand up to the insanity that is DSD and trans athletes in women’s sport. Three resounding cheers for Sebastian MF Newbold Coe, absolute LEGEND.
Sebastian Coe is obviously not a great man. He wants to be but he doesn’t have the courage to be. He also pretty clearly doped and then acts so righteous on the subject. He was a great runner but doping allowed him to be ahead of his time.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Seb Coe doped. Certainly no more evidence than any other athlete who never tested positive from any period since his competitive days. And certainly a lot less evidence he doped compared to those who competed pre '75, when steroids were still legal, and from '92 to '05, when EPO was either not tested for (92 - 00) or else had an unreliable test (00 - 05).
And certainly a lot less evidence he doped compared to those who competed pre '75, when steroids were still legal, and from '92 to '05,
Exactly. Like Marita Koch, Jarmila Kratochvilova, Ben Johnson, Florence Griffith-Joyner, Valerie Briscoe-Hooks, Angela Issajenko, Tatjana Kazankina, Nadeshda Olizarenko, Petra Felke, Natalya Lisovskaja, Jordanka Donkova, Udo Beyer, Werner Günthör, Gabriele Reinsch, Ilona Slupianek, Olaf Beyer, Jürgen Straub, Said Aouita, Billy Konchellah, John Ngugi, Abdi Bile, Alberto Cova, Francesco Panetta, Daley Thompson, Butch Reynolds and many more who competed during the only clean time window in athletics history.
And certainly a lot less evidence he doped compared to those who competed pre '75, when steroids were still legal, and from '92 to '05,
Exactly. Like Marita Koch, Jarmila Kratochvilova, Ben Johnson, Florence Griffith-Joyner, Valerie Briscoe-Hooks, Angela Issajenko, Tatjana Kazankina, Nadeshda Olizarenko, Petra Felke, Natalya Lisovskaja, Jordanka Donkova, Udo Beyer, Werner Günthör, Gabriele Reinsch, Ilona Slupianek, Olaf Beyer, Jürgen Straub, Said Aouita, Billy Konchellah, John Ngugi, Abdi Bile, Alberto Cova, Francesco Panetta, Daley Thompson, Butch Reynolds and many more who competed during the only clean time window in athletics history.
No, you are a moron. Almost everyone on your list is tainted in one way or another, as anyone with a reasonable knowledge of the history of the sport would know, so naming them offers no additional supporting evidence of Coe's guilt. You can basically scratch all the GDR names; Koch was on a Stasi list, as was Beyer and almost certainly all the other German names and East European throwers. Johnson, Reynolds & Issajenko were all later convicted dopers, Kazankina was banned for failing to take a doping test on the circuit, Olizarenko died relatively young from heart issues and was running faster than DSD Semenya some 30 years before her, so that's clearly strong evidence she was doping in 80 with as much testosterone in her system as XY chromosome individuals - same for Kratochvilova.
Aouita was caught advocating drug use to his athletes in Australia when coaching them. Cova and Panetta admitted using blood doping in 84 (when still legal), Konchellah has been done for rape (twice) and named indirectly by Gray on these boards for having boasted about his ped use at the time of his medals. Bile came from a mediocre career in the early/mid 80's to becoming World Champion once he started being coached by Jama Aden; the coach found with vials of EPO in his hotel room a few years ago.
That pretty much covers everyone on your list bar Ngugi and Thompson. The latter being someone who I have never heard any suspicions or accusations against. You chose to list names of those where there is indeed evidence, whether outright or circumstantial, that they doped. You could have chosen Moses, Coghlan, Yifter, Ovett, Rono, Bayi, Boit, Calvin Smith, Nehemiah, Van Damme, Ashford, Cram, Budd, etc., all of whom were champions or record breakers in the same era, none of whom had any evidence tying them to doping apart from being one of the best and fastest in the world in their respective events, just like Coe. fast times and great performances alone are not indicative of doping.
Exactly. Like Marita Koch, Jarmila Kratochvilova, Ben Johnson, Florence Griffith-Joyner, Valerie Briscoe-Hooks, Angela Issajenko, Tatjana Kazankina, Nadeshda Olizarenko, Petra Felke, Natalya Lisovskaja, Jordanka Donkova, Udo Beyer, Werner Günthör, Gabriele Reinsch, Ilona Slupianek, Olaf Beyer, Jürgen Straub, Said Aouita, Billy Konchellah, John Ngugi, Abdi Bile, Alberto Cova, Francesco Panetta, Daley Thompson, Butch Reynolds and many more who competed during the only clean time window in athletics history.
No, you are a moron. Almost everyone on your list is tainted in one way or another, as anyone with a reasonable knowledge of the history of the sport would know, so naming them offers no additional supporting evidence of Coe's guilt. You can basically scratch all the GDR names; Koch was on a Stasi list, as was Beyer and almost certainly all the other German names and East European throwers. Johnson, Reynolds & Issajenko were all later convicted dopers, Kazankina was banned for failing to take a doping test on the circuit, Olizarenko died relatively young from heart issues and was running faster than DSD Semenya some 30 years before her, so that's clearly strong evidence she was doping in 80 with as much testosterone in her system as XY chromosome individuals - same for Kratochvilova.
Aouita was caught advocating drug use to his athletes in Australia when coaching them. Cova and Panetta admitted using blood doping in 84 (when still legal), Konchellah has been done for rape (twice) and named indirectly by Gray on these boards for having boasted about his ped use at the time of his medals. Bile came from a mediocre career in the early/mid 80's to becoming World Champion once he started being coached by Jama Aden; the coach found with vials of EPO in his hotel room a few years ago.
That pretty much covers everyone on your list bar Ngugi and Thompson. The latter being someone who I have never heard any suspicions or accusations against. You chose to list names of those where there is indeed evidence, whether outright or circumstantial, that they doped. You could have chosen Moses, Coghlan, Yifter, Ovett, Rono, Bayi, Boit, Calvin Smith, Nehemiah, Van Damme, Ashford, Cram, Budd, etc., all of whom were champions or record breakers in the same era, none of whom had any evidence tying them to doping apart from being one of the best and fastest in the world in their respective events, just like Coe. fast times and great performances alone are not indicative of doping.
Your argument was, that athletes who competed within the time frame 1975 - 1990 are less likely to have doped. Maybe you explain this.
How many of the East Germans and Russians have been caught? No dopers?
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No, you are a moron. Almost everyone on your list is tainted in one way or another, as anyone with a reasonable knowledge of the history of the sport would know, so naming them offers no additional supporting evidence of Coe's guilt. You can basically scratch all the GDR names; Koch was on a Stasi list, as was Beyer and almost certainly all the other German names and East European throwers. Johnson, Reynolds & Issajenko were all later convicted dopers, Kazankina was banned for failing to take a doping test on the circuit, Olizarenko died relatively young from heart issues and was running faster than DSD Semenya some 30 years before her, so that's clearly strong evidence she was doping in 80 with as much testosterone in her system as XY chromosome individuals - same for Kratochvilova.
Aouita was caught advocating drug use to his athletes in Australia when coaching them. Cova and Panetta admitted using blood doping in 84 (when still legal), Konchellah has been done for rape (twice) and named indirectly by Gray on these boards for having boasted about his ped use at the time of his medals. Bile came from a mediocre career in the early/mid 80's to becoming World Champion once he started being coached by Jama Aden; the coach found with vials of EPO in his hotel room a few years ago.
That pretty much covers everyone on your list bar Ngugi and Thompson. The latter being someone who I have never heard any suspicions or accusations against. You chose to list names of those where there is indeed evidence, whether outright or circumstantial, that they doped. You could have chosen Moses, Coghlan, Yifter, Ovett, Rono, Bayi, Boit, Calvin Smith, Nehemiah, Van Damme, Ashford, Cram, Budd, etc., all of whom were champions or record breakers in the same era, none of whom had any evidence tying them to doping apart from being one of the best and fastest in the world in their respective events, just like Coe. fast times and great performances alone are not indicative of doping.
Your argument was, that athletes who competed within the time frame 1975 - 1990 are less likely to have doped. Maybe you explain this.
How many of the East Germans and Russians have been caught? No dopers?
The East Germans and Russians rarely competed outside of the Eastern Bloc. That might tell you something.
The East Germans and Russians rarely competed outside of the Eastern Bloc. That might tell you something.
That those plucky Brits were free to beat the dirty dopers?
BTW, how did you feel about the Olympic boycotts in Moscow 80 and LA 84?
Eh? They lost to them when facing them behind the Iron Curtain (both to Beyer in Prague, and Ovett to Straub in Moscow).
The fact that the Eastern Bloc athletes performed way better behing the Eastern Bloc, and rarely competed on the circuit, indicates that there was quite effective drug testing during that period - outside the Eastern bloc.
So now your argument is that Coe and Ovett must have been doping to beat GDR athletes, even though GDR athletes when doped up to the max were the only ones to beat them during their peak years?
So if I dope up to the max and race Kipchoge over a marathon, then him finishing two hours ahead of me confirms that he dopes??
That those plucky Brits were free to beat the dirty dopers?
BTW, how did you feel about the Olympic boycotts in Moscow 80 and LA 84?
Eh? They lost to them when facing them behind the Iron Curtain (both to Beyer in Prague, and Ovett to Straub in Moscow).
The fact that the Eastern Bloc athletes performed way better behing the Eastern Bloc, and rarely competed on the circuit, indicates that there was quite effective drug testing during that period - outside the Eastern bloc.
So now your argument is that Coe and Ovett must have been doping to beat GDR athletes, even though GDR athletes when doped up to the max were the only ones to beat them during their peak years?
So if I dope up to the max and race Kipchoge over a marathon, then him finishing two hours ahead of me confirms that he dopes??
No, I'm saying plucky Brits should be free to beat the dirty dopers. It's more entertaining that way.
Coe split 45.5 more or less typical for a <1:43 runner
I don't understand the mythology around the supposedly higher mileage. Of course it was closer to 50mi/week.
Roughly comparable to Cruz in volume, speed and range. And yes of course much lower volume during racing phase. Neither could go much below 13:30 5000 but why bother?
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