My husband is in the testing pool for another sport. He was tested by USADA on November 23rd and it is still not listed in the database.
It won't show in the USADA database if it was actually WADA, AIU, or another governing body that actually paid for the test and contracted out the job to USADA vampires to collect the samples since it is actually WADA/AIU/other doing the test in that case, not the USADA.
This is my first time on the database, but to me it reads like it is updated once a week and the last update was Nov. 17. There is a line space before the Last Update line. Do you know for sure it's current?
So yes, the test results database is up to date and Molly Seidel is being given special protection from the vampires these past 3 quarters.
Or, the testing is random and her number hasn't come up.
This is my first time on the database, but to me it reads like it is updated once a week and the last update was Nov. 17. There is a line space before the Last Update line. Do you know for sure it's current?
The web page is poorly written but Let's Get Dirty is correct. The 17 November date refers to the last time this page was updated. With the update obviously being the addition of the "and in Q3 2022, we updated . . . ) text.
I'm skeptical.
I looked at two sequential pages on archive.org with different "last updated" dates, and they were the same. So "last updated" doesn't seem to reflect changes to the page content.
This is peculiar because it possibly shows that USADA has control of their out-of-competition testing, when it’s supposed to be a random and independent process. Given how she’s come out about trying to get a TUE, it’s as if they paused drug testing her.
The number of tests Molly Seidel has done tells us nothing about the randomness or independent nature of USADA testing. Independent from who? Itself? The tests are randomly scheduled up to a point but they're deliberately targeted based on agencies risk evaluation. High risk athletes will be targeted more than low risk athletes.
Why has she had zero tests since Q1? Most obvious answer is she has run terribly and isn't threatening anything so why waste resources on someone consistently running slow. USADA clearly look at her and aren't too bothered right now compared to say Shelby Houlihan who has tested positive before so is high risk.
Also, a strategy I've heard anti doping agencies like to use is irregular testing schedules. E.g. hit someone with a bunch of tests in a short window, so after each test an athlete is more inclined to think "surely they won't test me again for awhile, I can be safe for now." Likewise longer than average gaps between testing to see if athletes get cocky.
I do wish the AIU posted testing figures as well though.
^^^THIS is correct^^^
Many of you do not understand the nature of "random" testing nor the independence of USADA.
Many of you do not understand the nature of "random" testing nor the independence of USADA.
"Random testing" as in you actually do the testing some time, not that you don't test her for 3 consecutive quarters and allow her to take whatever she wants.
Today, Molly Smekel is parading around in turkey costumes, running fun run 5ks under fake names. If its retirement, just state it.
This would make a lot of sense if Molly had filed the paperwork to the USADA and USATF saying she retired from competition in Q1 2022 and just didn't tell anyone else while leading us to believe there was a drug tester at her door. Would explain why the USADA is not testing her for so long. But it's much more likely the USADA is just filled with corrupt people.
Not really relevant as she is not relevant right now. Plenty of other US marathon runners who are clean and without scandals, running and doing quite well. They will be a factor in the next champs, not Molly
I enjoy reading letsrun but on this post I'm very biased because I don't think it's headline worthy. Molly strives to have integrity and honesty and shares her mental struggles publicly so others can benefit. She requested Adderall and was denied and put her integrity first by withdrawing from NYC marathon. Her drug tests are apparently open for public records and not being tested doesn't indicate anything to me other than they're planning random drug tests for her. Random is by surprise so if she isn't racing setting new records. Don't you think the moment she enters a race the multiple random tests are coming. I'm biased because I admire her boldness to try and be openly honest to the public. But I feel the criticism of a good person is why pro athletes don't share enough to the public. Molly strives to be transparent. She's not running under the influence of PEDS and asked permission for Adderall and was denied. I don't think her number of drug tests this year is headline news. I say this with jest but this is a board of savages. And I do enjoy reading the savages comments but in my bias opinion Molly shouldn't be facing the savages on this one. Maybe I'm biased and the post is really targeting drug testing and their actions.
I agree, but USADA list does not include tests from the AIU, so Molly might not have lied.
It will be hell (yet again) for the USADA if it was actually the AIU at the door and they got a positive test with their targetted testing of Seidel and see the USADA have given her special protection from PED tests.
I hope this is the case, I hope AIU tests her, I don't trust USADA at all anymore.
I agree, but USADA list does not include tests from the AIU, so Molly might not have lied.
However, that USADA tested her a full four times in Q1, but not once since April is indeed really strange.
Compare for example with the following athletes, Q1 - Q2 - Q3 - Q4 (incomplete)
Seidel: 4 - 0 - 0 - 0
Rupp: 1 - 2 - 3 - 2
Houlihan: 4 - 9 - 3 - 0
Centrowitz: 1 - 5 - 0 - 4
Fisher: 2 - 4 - 2 - 4
Jager: 0 - 5 - 5 - 5
Frerichs: 2 - 1 - 2 - 0
Mu: 1 - 3 - 2 - 0
McLaughlin: 0 - 4 - 2 - 2
Add to this list Sara Hall which the USADA also stopped testing after Q1 2022. Number of times Sara Hall tested per quarter in 2022: 4-0-0-0
How in the world does the USADA think it's okay to stop testing Sara Hall who is coached by Ryan Hall who publicly admits to taking testosterone and HGH for bodybuilding and with Sara competing for the USA at world's in the summer?
Someone from the USADA must be reading LRC for doping information since the USADA test result database just got updated to say that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have been tested twice in Q4 2022. So instead of test counts for both of them being 4-0-0-0 in 2022 a day ago, the USADA database now says they are both 4-0-0-2.
Coincidence that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have the exact same test count before and after I called them out? I think not. Someone at the USADA is clearly fudging the data to cover their behinds after reading this thread.
Someone from the USADA must be reading LRC for doping information since the USADA test result database just got updated to say that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have been tested twice in Q4 2022. So instead of test counts for both of them being 4-0-0-0 in 2022 a day ago, the USADA database now says they are both 4-0-0-2.
Coincidence that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have the exact same test count before and after I called them out? I think not. Someone at the USADA is clearly fudging the data to cover their behinds after reading this thread.
Someone from the USADA must be reading LRC for doping information since the USADA test result database just got updated to say that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have been tested twice in Q4 2022. So instead of test counts for both of them being 4-0-0-0 in 2022 a day ago, the USADA database now says they are both 4-0-0-2.
Coincidence that both Molly Seidel and Sara Hall have the exact same test count before and after I called them out? I think not. Someone at the USADA is clearly fudging the data to cover their behinds after reading this thread.
That's one way of admitting you were wrong.
I don't think so, something is terribly rotten at the USADA for them to update both Sara Hall and Molly Seidel with the exact same test counts a day after I called them out.
I don't think so, something is terribly rotten at the USADA for them to update both Sara Hall and Molly Seidel with the exact same test counts a day after I called them out.
Get over yourself. Exactly where it used to say: Last updated November 17, 2022, it now says Last updated December 16, 2022.
I can't believe you guys had me doubting my reading skills. This also proves Molly wasn't lying on the podcast when she said USADA was at the door. Where are all the apologies?
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