Sean Brosnan/Lex & Leo burnout

WarningSigns wrote:

Think Again wrote:

Are you aware that Sean Brosnan lives in the same house as the new Newbury Park head coach? There wasn't anything going on with Newbury Park's xc training this year that Sean Brosnan wasn't involved in.

Not the same thing as his physical presence. He was like a father figure. I don’t know if he would have reigned in the twins, but that is what they needed this year. Also, less race pace training and more sub threshold. They were completely fried and should skip world junior cross to regroup.

oldold runner wrote:

The Youngs had a bad race.No more. No less. Runners have bad races.

Two examples of bad races then rebounding:

1. Fast Horse of Ventura ran 16:30 at the Clovis Invitational ( he looked spent like the Youngs did today). He then ran 15:08 at the California state meet on the same course he 16:30 on earlier in the year.

2. Lomeli of Clovis ran 17:28 at Clovis Invitational and then 21:52 at state after passing the 2.1 mile mark in 12:00. Today she was Clovis #2.

Runners have bad days. It’s how you rebound that matters.

WarningSigns wrote:

Think Again wrote:

Are you aware that Sean Brosnan lives in the same house as the new Newbury Park head coach? There wasn't anything going on with Newbury Park's xc training this year that Sean Brosnan wasn't involved in.

Not the same thing as his physical presence. He was like a father figure. I don’t know if he would have reigned in the twins, but that is what they needed this year. Also, less race pace training and more sub threshold. They were completely fried and should skip world junior cross to regroup.

Hollywood Reporter wrote:

WarningSigns wrote:

Not the same thing as his physical presence. He was like a father figure. I don’t know if he would have reigned in the twins, but that is what they needed this year. Also, less race pace training and more sub threshold. They were completely fried and should skip world junior cross to regroup.

I'm not persnickety, but I am seizing a teaching opportunity. Rather than "reigned in," you should have written "reined in."

The brosnan plan wrote:

First things first. Let’s all be clear who the actual coach is/was for L&L. It was Sean Brosnan.

The race plan was arrogance. They thought they were flat out better than the rest of the field, so they just figure mid race they would drop the hammer and leave everyone. It was a serious miscalculation and disrespectful to the other top runners and they paid for it.

wavexc wrote:

The brosnan plan wrote:

First things first. Let’s all be clear who the actual coach is/was for L&L. It was Sean Brosnan.

The race plan was arrogance. They thought they were flat out better than the rest of the field, so they just figure mid race they would drop the hammer and leave everyone. It was a serious miscalculation and disrespectful to the other top runners and they paid for it.

Also they didn't respect the course. They're used to the hard, fast ground at every race in CA. Maybe don't try to hit the same splits on soft ground combined with hills.

WarningSigns wrote:

. On a podcast this week they revealed their completely unnecessary Tuesday workout after the CA state meet (Leo was already fried at the end of Woodward Park, he didn’t need “more work”).

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sbeefyk2 wrote:

I have to say I’m disappointed I was right. All year I said they won’t run any faster and will only get slower because they lost their coach. Not I feel bad for jinxing them. I was hoping they’d run the same times and places. Not crater. Oh well, onwards and upwards. It might not be a bad idea for them to just skip track season and do easy training and get ready for college.

Pseud ONym wrote:

It would bode well for them to at least skip indoor racing and get in a track cycle through the CIF State meet and close it down to prepare for championship racing at twice the distance.

Something else wrote:

WarningSigns wrote:

. On a podcast this week they revealed their completely unnecessary Tuesday workout after the CA state meet (Leo was already fried at the end of Woodward Park, he didn’t need “more work”).

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I just listened to their description of the ‘workout’, and they said it was not so much a workout, but rather a stimulus; they didn’t want to take completely off, which could be worse for running their best. They did cut back on mileage the last two weeks.

The pre-race workout, which was relatively easy for them, though would be impossible for others, was 1x1mile and 4x400 all at ~4:30 pace, all on grass.

Think Again wrote:

Pseud ONym wrote:

It would bode well for them to at least skip indoor racing and get in a track cycle through the CIF State meet and close it down to prepare for championship racing at twice the distance.

I'm always amused at the clueless posters on here who like to give dumb advice. Leo and Lex don't care what you think.

oldold runner wrote:

The Youngs had a bad race.No more. No less. Runners have bad races.

Two examples of bad races then rebounding:

1. Fast Horse of Ventura ran 16:30 at the Clovis Invitational ( he looked spent like the Youngs did today). He then ran 15:08 at the California state meet on the same course he 16:30 on earlier in the year.

2. Lomeli of Clovis ran 17:28 at Clovis Invitational and then 21:52 at state after passing the 2.1 mile mark in 12:00. Today she was Clovis #2.

Runners have bad days. It’s how you rebound that matters.

WarningSigns wrote:

Lex and Leo have missed Sean’s guidance. It felt like they were doing their own thing all season and it cost them tremendously at NXN.

Overraced due to California’s bizarre postseason schedule, maintained killer workouts (rising before 5 am) when they needed to scale it back. On a podcast this week they revealed their completely unnecessary Tuesday workout after the CA state meet (Leo was already fried at the end of Woodward Park, he didn’t need “more work”).

Disappointed in how the twins were managed this fall - they needed a coach that could recognize signs of mental/physical burnout.

NAH2003 wrote:

That makes absolutely no sense. You can't run a race after not running fast at all for the week leading up to it. You have to get your legs moving somehow and strides aren't enough because there's no sustained effort there. Unless you want a massive shock to the system in first 400m you have to do some type of workout and the workout they did is really not that hard.