No way he runs as a 3rd party candidate. For one thing he would have to spend a lot more of his own money and he won't do that.
He also knows he would not beat the Dem, whoever that is. He lost decisively to Biden when he had all the advantages of an incunbant President. He won't put himself in the position of losing another election.
The only reason for him to run as a 3rd candidate would be to make sure the R nominee loses, knowing that he can't win either. What would he gain?
We have another two years before the next election. There's a lot that can happen - and we have seen that for Trump and his base it mostly isn't good. He has been losing since 2020 - he will keep losing. The longer he stays the more damage he does to the Republican Party. If he doesn't relinquish the candidacy to an opponent who can reach out to the middle he will divide the Republican vote. Game, set and match to the Democrats.
No way he runs as a 3rd party candidate. For one thing he would have to spend a lot more of his own money and he won't do that.
He also knows he would not beat the Dem, whoever that is. He lost decisively to Biden when he had all the advantages of an incunbant President. He won't put himself in the position of losing another election.
The only reason for him to run as a 3rd candidate would be to make sure the R nominee loses, knowing that he can't win either. What would he gain?
His narcissism will not allow him to concede he isn't the right candidate for the party. He will take the ship down with him.
No way he runs as a 3rd party candidate. For one thing he would have to spend a lot more of his own money and he won't do that.
He also knows he would not beat the Dem, whoever that is. He lost decisively to Biden when he had all the advantages of an incunbant President. He won't put himself in the position of losing another election.
The only reason for him to run as a 3rd candidate would be to make sure the R nominee loses, knowing that he can't win either. What would he gain?
His narcissism will not allow him to concede he isn't the right candidate for the party. He will take the ship down with him.
If he goes independent he will be rejecting the party and the party will reject him the way they rejected Liz Cheney. Sure, some of his loyal followers will stick with him. But most people still want their vote to count for something other than just a protest. And all those with influence will abandon the sinking ship.
Trump is a narcissist and for that reason he desperately wants to be seen as a winner. If he ran 3rd party he will be the ultimate loser.
His narcissism will not allow him to concede he isn't the right candidate for the party. He will take the ship down with him.
If he goes independent he will be rejecting the party and the party will reject him the way they rejected Liz Cheney. Sure, some of his loyal followers will stick with him. But most people still want their vote to count for something other than just a protest. And all those with influence will abandon the sinking ship.
Trump is a narcissist and for that reason he desperately wants to be seen as a winner. If he ran 3rd party he will be the ultimate loser.
Agreed. But as we have seen, his desire to win at all costs hasn't stopped him from being the ultimate loser. He will keep doing what he does best - losing. His pathological narcissism will never allow him to concede defeat. So it will ensure it.
The hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
People with NPD often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way, which can enhance their own self-esteem. They tend to seek excessive admiration and attention and have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat. Although NPD is a difficult disorder to treat, therapy can help those with the condition develop their sense of self and their relationships.
NPD refers to the diagnosable mental disorder, while the term "narcissism" is a trait that ranges in degree from person to person.
The hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipula...
As you factor in Trump's chances of winning in 2 years, you need to factor in the GOP continuing to implode and turn on one another over the next two years. The party will grow weaker as they attempt to take center stage in the house. This would elevate their need for the orange savior to come back. And the Orange messiah will be publicly bashing everything the GOP does except for his crazies that are hoping for Trump cabinet positions.
The GOP will be launching public investigations of Fauci, Biden, Hunter's laptop, Schiff, Pelosi, China virus, Ukraine "money laundering" and anyone else that they can fundraise off of. All these investigations are not done with the belief that they will find criminality. They certainly have no chance at impeachment. But they have found that the crazy sells big with fundraising. As proof, Marge is one of the biggest GOP fundraisers. And Trump is as well.
Definitely Trump is going to win the nomination like he did in 2016.
It's the same old swamp of Congressmen & govenors running for the nomination.
People are tired of that - conservatives want someone like Trump who isn't part of the Deep State.
Trump all the way!
There was a place called Jonestown that thought as you do.
Give me a break Armstrong. You, Casual Obsever & me used to post in tandem against rekrunner & others in probably hundreds - maybe a thousand - of posts on those doping threads over the years (my user name in the doping threads was "Doped to the Max").
I was just fine then & highly respected by you as we debated rekrunner ad nuseam on numerous doping threads especially involving the Kenyans. Now...that I show you my political preference as a Trump supporter, I'm crap & you want to take me down.
You can't have your cake & eat it - just remember that the next time we're posting on a doping thread & debating rekrunner & others. You're going to have to decide whether we're allies or adversaries because of political views.
Trump has been declared dead so many times...I don't buy it. He would dominate a crowded field. I think he wins the nomination, assuming he's legally able to do so.
If he goes independent he will be rejecting the party and the party will reject him the way they rejected Liz Cheney. Sure, some of his loyal followers will stick with him. But most people still want their vote to count for something other than just a protest. And all those with influence will abandon the sinking ship.
Trump is a narcissist and for that reason he desperately wants to be seen as a winner. If he ran 3rd party he will be the ultimate loser.
Trump's base of power is white working class voters in that his brand of politics have (had?) them motivated to turn out in historically high numbers. More centrist Republicans and a lot of independents went along for the ride, but have grown increasingly weary of the drama. The challenge for Trump or any heir apparent is to get both groups to turn out.
So it's not a matter of Trump's most loyal supporters "sticking with him" so much as it's a matter of his most loyal supporters just not turning out in high rates for someone else.
DeSantis has a lot of momentum and can start to chip away at Trump using the Trump playbook. “Loser” is your theme and you keep hammering that he is a loser on every level. It’s the label that Trump hates and fears most. If enough Republican voices echo that message, then it will destroy Trump politically and physically.
He is a LOSER! He is a liar! He isn’t even rich! He cheated on his wives and his taxes and still couldn’t keep himself out of bankruptcy. He lost to a senile old man. He fails us repeatedly. He’s not a winner and he didn’t deliver any of the wins that you were counting on! Also, refer to him as “Donald Chump” while talking up how you will achieve all of those classic conservative wish list items.
Trump would be a 24/7 rage machine and that actually might literally kill him. Bonus as it effectively marginalizes the whole family forever. Jared and Ivanka have already abandoned ship.
I wouldn't be surprised if he runs on like a "Patriot Party" or something like that if he loses the nomination. But I'm not sold yet that he will lose the primary. I'm literally 50/50 on it.
If he does either of these options then it's handing the election to the democrats. Republicans need a normal dude to run. Think of a scale from 1-10, 1 is super socialist liberal, 10 is crazy right wing conservative. Biden is probably a 3, Republicans need someone who is a 6.5 or 7 on the scale if they want to win. If you get too crazy you're not going to get any of the swing votes which is what you need to win.
Your buddy really said “Wow. You’re right, I hadn’t thought of that.” Your buddy really said that? I wonder how many buddies you have. Like most of us guys probably don’t have more than a handful of buddies. Or maybe I am incorrect.
Yeah it's an amazing coincidence that all of Rojo's friends start their sentences with "Wow!" and that nearly all of them usually say something like "as I nearly fell out of my chair!"
As wow, Rojo! As wow. As you nearly fell out of your chair!
The hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment. These characteristics typically begin in early adulthood and must be consistently evident in multiple contexts, such as at work and in relationships.
People with NPD often try to associate with other people they believe are unique or gifted in some way, which can enhance their own self-esteem. They tend to seek excessive admiration and attention and have difficulty tolerating criticism or defeat. Although NPD is a difficult disorder to treat, therapy can help those with the condition develop their sense of self and their relationships.
NPD refers to the diagnosable mental disorder, while the term "narcissism" is a trait that ranges in degree from person to person.
Trump is 100% a burn it all down if I can't have it kind of guy.
But, 2 of his billionaire donors have already refused to endorse his campaign with one of them openly supporting DeSantis.
Trump won't spend his own money to run but if there is funding he would absolutely run 3rd party.
Keep in mind Liz Cheney still thinks she could run for president. Politicians are surrounded by sycophants and have no idea what people actually think of them. They don't make decisions based on anything resembling realistic expectations.
I don’t think he can repeat 2016. That year the establishment Republicans didn’t realize that he could actually win the nomination until it was too late in the game to stop him. I doubt they make that mistake again.
But now Trumpism is the establishment Republicans.
If there are more than 5 sane candidates for the Republican nomination, they will split the sane vote and he will capture the crazies, which will be enough for him to win the nomination. If he doesn't win, he will go 3rd party because he is incapable doing what is right for anyone but himself.
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