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    hunter wheres the blow

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    3 years ago 11/13/2022 11:12pm EST
    re: zxvcxzcv

    zxvcxzcv wrote:

    Dave Chapelle: "the rules, if [you see a group and] they're black it's a gang, if they're Italian, it's a mob, if they're Jewish, it's a coincidence, and you should never speak about it."

    "I've been to Hollywood. I don't want you to get mad at me. I'm just telling you what I saw. I have been to Hollywood. It's a lot of Jews. Like a lot. [long pause] But that doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean? [Ferguson comparison] I can see if you had some kind of issues. You might go out to Hollywood and you might start connecting some kind of lines and you can maybe adopt some kind of illusion that the Jews run show business. It's not a crazy thing to think. But it's a crazy thing to say out loud."

    “You can maybe adopt some kind of illusion that the Jews run show business”

    You’re clearly misinterpreting this.

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    hunter wheres the blow

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    3 years ago 11/13/2022 11:14pm EST
    re: LRCDogWhistle

    LRCDogWhistle wrote:

    Ah yes, another weekend evening, another drawing of Reich Wing moths to the flame by a bad faith poster uttering a dog whistle, all the while LRC happily advertising endlessly on the margins of hate.

    Chappelle OBVIOUSLY engaged in anti-semitism and has, like so many other contrarian comedians, found himself drifting nastily to the right as he ages. F-ck him. He's free to be a jerk 0ff and I'm free to think he's a clown tool of the Reich Wing at this point.

    And of course, the LRC Reich Wingers squeal like pleased little piggies while ads keep auto-playing in the margins. Just another weekend evening.

    I’m sure you were just as upset when he was anti trans in his last special, right?

  • where art thou, oh brave talkers?

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 11/13/2022 11:14pm EST
    re: local lib

    local lib wrote:

    LRCDogWhistle wrote:

    Ah yes, another weekend evening, another drawing of Reich Wing moths to the flame by a bad faith poster uttering a dog whistle, all the while LRC happily advertising endlessly on the margins of hate.

    Chappelle OBVIOUSLY engaged in anti-semitism and has, like so many other contrarian comedians, found himself drifting nastily to the right as he ages. F-ck him. He's free to be a jerk 0ff and I'm free to think he's a clown tool of the Reich Wing at this point.

    And of course, the LRC Reich Wingers squeal like pleased little piggies while ads keep auto-playing in the margins. Just another weekend evening.

    How did Chappelle “OBVIOUSLY engage in anti-semitism”?

    Like i said already:
    "Taken in it entirety, and using just a modicum of inference and connecting the dots, he is clearly saying that the jewish people control a lot, have the power to influence those who can get someone banned and have sponsors abandon them, that this is apparent to him personally in Hollywood, and that to deal with it (see his advice to Kanye as he opens the segment), just utter platitudes to placate them ("for now") but don't believe it, and only do so for as long as you need to so as to not get cancelled.
    This is seems like a stereotypical view to me, and the message is not to change one's views, but how to fly under the radar when surrounded by oppressing forces."

    And I applaud the clear-headed insights and opinions of several here like LRC Dogwhistle and zxvc.... You are spot-on.

  • Blamegame

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    3 years ago 11/13/2022 11:34pm EST
    re: Salvitore Stitchmo

    Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

    The US has simply become "revolving door" of victimhood hasn't it. Seriously think back over the last 4 years it's one "disparaged" group after another lining up after another with some example of how they are the victims of hate,

    And before the swathe of SJW downvotes come in on this post, just remember...

    I would be curious of your examples of that victimhood. And kinda ironic that you’re preemptively playing the victim card with downvotes. So far you have 90% upvotes.

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    local lib

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 12:05am EST
    re: where art thou, oh brave talkers?

    where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:

    local lib wrote:

    How did Chappelle “OBVIOUSLY engage in anti-semitism”?

    Like i said already:
    "Taken in it entirety, and using just a modicum of inference and connecting the dots, he is clearly saying that the jewish people control a lot, have the power to influence those who can get someone banned and have sponsors abandon them, that this is apparent to him personally in Hollywood, and that to deal with it (see his advice to Kanye as he opens the segment), just utter platitudes to placate them ("for now") but don't believe it, and only do so for as long as you need to so as to not get cancelled.
    This is seems like a stereotypical view to me, and the message is not to change one's views, but how to fly under the radar when surrounded by oppressing forces."

    And I applaud the clear-headed insights and opinions of several here like LRC Dogwhistle and zxvc.... You are spot-on.

    No, he is clearly not saying those things. What a gross mischaracterization. You are looking to be offended.

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    the beagle

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 12:13am EST
    re: where art thou, oh brave talkers?

    where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:

    local lib wrote:

    How did Chappelle “OBVIOUSLY engage in anti-semitism”?

    Like i said already:
    "Taken in it entirety, and using just a modicum of inference and connecting the dots, he is clearly saying that the jewish people control a lot, have the power to influence those who can get someone banned and have sponsors abandon them, that this is apparent to him personally in Hollywood, and that to deal with it (see his advice to Kanye as he opens the segment), just utter platitudes to placate them ("for now") but don't believe it, and only do so for as long as you need to so as to not get cancelled.
    This is seems like a stereotypical view to me, and the message is not to change one's views, but how to fly under the radar when surrounded by oppressing forces."

    And I applaud the clear-headed insights and opinions of several here like LRC Dogwhistle and zxvc.... You are spot-on.

    If he was outright saying those things in his stand up (he’s not), how is that anti-Semitic?

  • mr38

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 4:34am EST
    re: Kobbs Hessler

    He's not as funny when he gets into these serious/controversial topics.

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 6:23am EST
    re: hunter wheres the blow

    hunter wheres the blow wrote:

    zxvcxzcv wrote:

    Apart from whether I'm offended and whether I want to be deprived of Dave Chapelle's voice, just tell me whether I am wrong to think that it is anti-semitic to say, as he did, that Hollywood is run by the Jews.

    He literally said that it wasn’t.

    Did you see the bit?

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 6:31am EST
    re: the beagle

    It's fine to recognize the reality that the black population, which makes up @ 15% of America's population. dominates the NBA on the floor. Like 90% plus of the all star teams.

    However, one cannot recognize the reality that the Jewish population, @ 2% of America, provide more than 50% of the NBA owners. That's anti-semitic.

    Why is that?

    en.wikipedia.org
    List of NBA team owners
    This article is a list of principal owners (referred to as "Governors" in official NBA parlance) of National Basketball Association teams: See also List of National Basketball Association head coaches List of National Basketb...
    Open link

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    buzzcolorado

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 7:48am EST
    re: carmine9

    carmine9 wrote:

    It's fine to recognize the reality that the black population, which makes up @ 15% of America's population. dominates the NBA on the floor. Like 90% plus of the all star teams.

    However, one cannot recognize the reality that the Jewish population, @ 2% of America, provide more than 50% of the NBA owners. That's anti-semitic.

    Why is that?

    Link:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_team...

    Nothing wrong with saying that over 50% of NBA owners have Jewish heritage. ( Did you really click thru to all the owners to verify?). Saying "the Jews" followed by anything has a very strong correlation with believing in crazy conspiracy theories, even tho linguistically it is no different from "the Spanish".

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 8:08am EST
    re: buzzcolorado

    buzzcolorado wrote:

    carmine9 wrote:

    It's fine to recognize the reality that the black population, which makes up @ 15% of America's population. dominates the NBA on the floor. Like 90% plus of the all star teams.

    However, one cannot recognize the reality that the Jewish population, @ 2% of America, provide more than 50% of the NBA owners. That's anti-semitic.

    Why is that?

    Link:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_team...

    Nothing wrong with saying that over 50% of NBA owners have Jewish heritage. ( Did you really click thru to all the owners to verify?). Saying "the Jews" followed by anything has a very strong correlation with believing in crazy conspiracy theories, even tho linguistically it is no different from "the Spanish".

    Wow.

    Nothing wrong with saying it and then you attack me for documenting the fact! Gee, did I really bother to look up the facts?

  • JustMe22

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 8:08am EST
    re: where art thou, oh brave talkers?

    where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:

    local lib wrote:

    How did Chappelle “OBVIOUSLY engage in anti-semitism”?

    Like i said already:
    "Taken in it entirety, and using just a modicum of inference and connecting the dots, he is clearly saying that the jewish people control a lot, have the power to influence those who can get someone banned and have sponsors abandon them, that this is apparent to him personally in Hollywood, and that to deal with it (see his advice to Kanye as he opens the segment), just utter platitudes to placate them ("for now") but don't believe it, and only do so for as long as you need to so as to not get cancelled.
    This is seems like a stereotypical view to me, and the message is not to change one's views, but how to fly under the radar when surrounded by oppressing forces."

    And I applaud the clear-headed insights and opinions of several here like LRC Dogwhistle and zxvc.... You are spot-on.

    Your argument seems to boil down to: he meant something other than what he said. Or, more specifically, he invited people to make inferences about his meaning.

    Two problems:

    1) What about intent? Who determines intent? What seems obvious to you is not so to others. That is the crux of the problem.

    2) Interpretation. Related ro intent, but distinct, because meaning can be affected by culture. Is one interpretation valid over another because it is commonly accepted? To what degree does context matter?

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 8:10am EST
    re: carmine9

    carmine9 wrote:

    buzzcolorado wrote:

    Nothing wrong with saying that over 50% of NBA owners have Jewish heritage. ( Did you really click thru to all the owners to verify?). Saying "the Jews" followed by anything has a very strong correlation with believing in crazy conspiracy theories, even tho linguistically it is no different from "the Spanish".

    Wow.

    Nothing wrong with saying it and then you attack me for documenting the fact! Gee, did I really bother to look up the facts?

    Must say they "have Jewish heritage"? Cannot just say they are Jewish?

    The players "have black heritage"

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 8:11am EST
    re: JustMe22

    JustMe22 wrote:

    where art thou, oh brave talkers? wrote:

    Like i said already:
    "Taken in it entirety, and using just a modicum of inference and connecting the dots, he is clearly saying that the jewish people control a lot, have the power to influence those who can get someone banned and have sponsors abandon them, that this is apparent to him personally in Hollywood, and that to deal with it (see his advice to Kanye as he opens the segment), just utter platitudes to placate them ("for now") but don't believe it, and only do so for as long as you need to so as to not get cancelled.
    This is seems like a stereotypical view to me, and the message is not to change one's views, but how to fly under the radar when surrounded by oppressing forces."

    And I applaud the clear-headed insights and opinions of several here like LRC Dogwhistle and zxvc.... You are spot-on.

    Your argument seems to boil down to: he meant something other than what he said. Or, more specifically, he invited people to make inferences about his meaning.

    Two problems:

    1) What about intent? Who determines intent? What seems obvious to you is not so to others. That is the crux of the problem.

    2) Interpretation. Related ro intent, but distinct, because meaning can be affected by culture. Is one interpretation valid over another because it is commonly accepted? To what degree does context matter?

    His intent is obvious. Saying something while acknowledging we are not allowed to say it. That's the bit

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 8:57am EST
    re: carmine9

    carmine9 wrote:

    carmine9 wrote:

    Wow.

    Nothing wrong with saying it and then you attack me for documenting the fact! Gee, did I really bother to look up the facts?

    Must say they "have Jewish heritage"? Cannot just say they are Jewish?

    The players "have black heritage"

    Black or African American does not double as a religion.

  • LRCDogWhistle

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 9:15am EST
    re: buzzcolorado

    Most of you Reich Wing dirt bag posters would be cozy and comfortable in Germany in 1933.

    Disgusting.

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    carmine9

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 9:19am EST
    re: buzzcolorado

    buzzcolorado wrote:

    carmine9 wrote:

    Must say they "have Jewish heritage"? Cannot just say they are Jewish?

    The players "have black heritage"

    Black or African American does not double as a religion.

    So?

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    buzzcolorado

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 9:28am EST
    re: carmine9

    You want to avoid ambiguity.

    So out of curiosity, which of the owners are Jewish according to your research?

  • Starry

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 11/14/2022 9:37am EST
    re: mr38

    mr38 wrote:

    He's not as funny when he gets into these serious/controversial topics.

    Well, not if you don't have a sense of humor.

    Dave is a genius at getting attention and laughs by running right up to the line without stepping over it.

    Humor is mostly making fun of people and exaggerating the things you are making fun of. And it's always funnier when there is a hint of truth but still safe when parts of it are made up.

    And he always has people talking about him the next day. We don't have long discussions about Dane Cook's jokes.

    Kanye and Kyrie are not comedians. So, when they say these things it really isn't funny.

  • JustMe22

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    3 years ago 11/14/2022 9:38am EST
    re: carmine9

    carmine9 wrote:

    JustMe22 wrote:

    Your argument seems to boil down to: he meant something other than what he said. Or, more specifically, he invited people to make inferences about his meaning.

    Two problems:

    1) What about intent? Who determines intent? What seems obvious to you is not so to others. That is the crux of the problem.

    2) Interpretation. Related ro intent, but distinct, because meaning can be affected by culture. Is one interpretation valid over another because it is commonly accepted? To what degree does context matter?

    His intent is obvious. Saying something while acknowledging we are not allowed to say it. That's the bit

    Pardon my pedantry, but I disagree. He's a comedian. His intent is to make people laugh. You may not find it funny, but why is everybody in this thread overlooking something much more obvious than that and engaging in a spirited debate about comedy?

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