Another one bites the dust.
The AIU has banned Kenya’s Marius Kipserem for 3 years from 22 September 2022 for the Presence/Use of a Prohibited Substance (EPO). DQ results from 17 August 2022.
Two more Kenyan athletes suspended for alleged doping offence
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Armstronglivs wrote:
All it shows is that EPO is not the only drug that distance runners will turn to. You also happen to be amongst the very few who believe it doesn't aid altitude-trained athletes - even though altitude-trained athletes are still using it - and running faster than when EPO was not available.
+1
Plus, one might get a different impression when looking at the top.
Banned for doping
1) Olympic champ + 3x World champ Kiprop, PR 3:26 (EPO 2017)
2) Olympic champ + London marathon winner Sumgong, PR 2:20:41 (EPO 2017)
3) 3x Boston (one DQ) + 2x Chicago marathon (one DQ) winner Jeptoo, PR 2:18:57 (DQ) (EPO 2014)
4) Boston + Chicago marathon winner Cherono, PR 2:03:04 (trimetazidine 2022)
5) London + Amsterdam marathon winner D. Wanjiru, PR 2:05:21 (ABP 2019)
6) Boston marathon winner Kipyokei, PR 2:22:06 (triamcinolone acetonide 2022)
7) Half marathon world record holder Kiptum, PR 58:18 (DQ) (ABP 2019)
8) Third fastest half marathon runner Kisorio back then, PR 58:46 (norandrosterone 2012 + whereabouts 2022)
9) Ranked 2nd in road running Renju, PRs 26:57/58:35 (methasterone 2022)
10) African champ Kipkemoi, PRs 26:52/59:01/2:05:44 (terbutaline 2019)
11) Rotterdam winner Kipserem, PR 2:04:04 (EPO 2022)
12) 2x Seoul marathon winner Loyanae, PR 2:05:13 (EPO 2013)
Honorable mentions
13) 3000 m steeple world record holder and Olympic champ Jebet, Bahraini-turned Kenyan, PR 8:52.78 (EPO 2017)
14) Olympic silver medalist Kirwa, Bahraini-turned Kenyan, PR 2:21:17 (EPO 2017)Out of these 14, 7 were banned for EPO and 2 for ABP violations (either EPO or blood transfusions).
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Armstronglivs wrote:
The increasing farce that is Kenyan running is proof that doping doesn't need to be state-sponsored to be systemic.
With their 10k champion now just being busted it has become virtually a daily event. How can there be any credibility attached to any of their running achievements? We didn't even see this with the E Germans, or the Chinese in the '90's.
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unlikely wrote:
The logical thing to do now is to simply ban Kenya for a solid 5 years or so. Then turn the testing blowtorch onto countries such as Ethiopia and Uganda.
However, if the IAAF is not going to ban Kenya then are not race organizers entitled to ban athletes competing from certain nations? If the organizers of a big race such as the London marathon simply stepped up and effectively banned having any elite athletes from Kenya in the race because of the obvious doping issue going on, then the organizers of other big races and meets could well follow suit. If the sport's governing bodies are effectively doing nothing then the race organizers could at least try to control the problem of doping athletes competing.
The organizers of an Italian half-marathon tried that a couple of years ago, and there was worldwide woke outrage at the 'racism' of it.
Perhaps the big marathons could afford to have the elite Kenyans independently blood tested several times in the lead up to the marathon? Perhaps make a requirement that they stay in London, Berlin, Boston for at least 1 month before the race so they can be tested. Can't see it ever happening though. Kenyan athletes have to be tested 3 times in x months before major Games, but it doesn't apply to major marathons, which of course is one reason Kipchoge moved from the track.
As far as Coe taking back handers for keeping Kenya in athletics, I hope that's not the case, but he certainly does have a soft spot for them - which makes El K's pathalogical hatred of him all the more ridiculous. I think Coe has tried the carrot and the stick approach, making sure they improve their terrible testing standards in Kenya with the reward of not only not banning them, but rewarding them with major championships. It's worked to a degree - Kenyans are obviously getting busted now, but does it make much difference really? These guys have won their medals and prize money and can retire in relative wealth. Doping is clearly so rampant in Kenya that it's like trying to cut off the heads of Medusa. You're never going to get to a situation where the leading Kenyans are not all dopers. The only solution is to ban them, unfortunately.
The irony is that banning Russia and doing nothing about Kenya and their ever increasing pile of drugs busts looks racist. If the Sport is against PED use then they have to ban the nations where doping is very obviously systemic regardless of the geographical location of those nations. OR the Sport needs to change its rules and just allow doping (which is what is effectively happening anyway) and stop hypocritically marketing itself as a clean sport. For now, major race organizers should absolutely consider banning Keyan athletes from their races with systemic doping clearly given as the reason which would be in line with the Sport's official stance on PED use in any case.
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Renato Canova wrote:
I want to remind that my position is "EPO doesn't work fior athletes with proper training if they live in altitude", Kenyans or Ethiopians or Ugandans or Europeans.
I always explained the assumption of steroids is another thing, and all the athletes caught after July took steroids, not EPO.
It's obvious there is a problem of doping in Kenya, but this doesn't regard EPO, mostly steroids and whereabouts.
How about this recent EPO bust
I asked one of the top haematology consultants in the UK if EPO would work on an elite Kenyan. Of course was the answer. It will raise you level whatever it is currently at.
Athletes get busted more for steroids because it is easier to detect a few days after taking compared to EPO
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ukathleticscoach wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:
I want to remind that my position is "EPO doesn't work fior athletes with proper training if they live in altitude", Kenyans or Ethiopians or Ugandans or Europeans.
I always explained the assumption of steroids is another thing, and all the athletes caught after July took steroids, not EPO.
It's obvious there is a problem of doping in Kenya, but this doesn't regard EPO, mostly steroids and whereabouts.
How about this recent EPO bust
.I asked one of the top haematology consultants in the UK if EPO would work on an elite Kenyan. Of course was the answer. It will raise you level whatever it is currently at.
Athletes get busted more for steroids because it is easier to detect a few days after taking compared to EPO
Of course you did. What is his/her name?
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Why is the AIU suddenly catching all these Kenyan's? 15 in the last 3 months. Did an improved test just come out? Curious if anyone knows.
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casual obsever wrote:
Desperado wrote:
And what happens with their prize money and medals?
If it’s not taken away, desperation will persist.
The cheaters get to keep it all, unless their doping resulted in a DQ (see the list). And even then, it can be hard to retrieve the money of course.
But for a DQ to happen, they need to get caught almost directly at the race or in its preparation, before a suspension is handed out (Jeptoo in Chicago 2014), which rarely happens.
Alternatively, if they get banned because of an ABP violation, then they can get more DQs over a longer period, because that typically includes more than one violation until the AIU acts (Kiptum, including his WR).
Not much to loose and much to gain.
As long as corruption is a way of life on the African continent, almost anything is accepted behavior with little to any negative ramifications if caught.
Coaches, agents, dispensary locations, corrupt officials, nothing happens to them in Africa.
Hard to believe any results from athletes in such countries.
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unlikely wrote:
Coevett wrote:
The organizers of an Italian half-marathon tried that a couple of years ago, and there was worldwide woke outrage at the 'racism' of it.
Perhaps the big marathons could afford to have the elite Kenyans independently blood tested several times in the lead up to the marathon? Perhaps make a requirement that they stay in London, Berlin, Boston for at least 1 month before the race so they can be tested. Can't see it ever happening though. Kenyan athletes have to be tested 3 times in x months before major Games, but it doesn't apply to major marathons, which of course is one reason Kipchoge moved from the track.
As far as Coe taking back handers for keeping Kenya in athletics, I hope that's not the case, but he certainly does have a soft spot for them - which makes El K's pathalogical hatred of him all the more ridiculous. I think Coe has tried the carrot and the stick approach, making sure they improve their terrible testing standards in Kenya with the reward of not only not banning them, but rewarding them with major championships. It's worked to a degree - Kenyans are obviously getting busted now, but does it make much difference really? These guys have won their medals and prize money and can retire in relative wealth. Doping is clearly so rampant in Kenya that it's like trying to cut off the heads of Medusa. You're never going to get to a situation where the leading Kenyans are not all dopers. The only solution is to ban them, unfortunately.
The irony is that banning Russia and doing nothing about Kenya and their ever increasing pile of drugs busts looks racist. If the Sport is against PED use then they have to ban the nations where doping is very obviously systemic regardless of the geographical location of those nations. OR the Sport needs to change its rules and just allow doping (which is what is effectively happening anyway) and stop hypocritically marketing itself as a clean sport. For now, major race organizers should absolutely consider banning Keyan athletes from their races with systemic doping clearly given as the reason which would be in line with the Sport's official stance on PED use in any case.
Do major race organizers test at their events?
Seems counter intuitive as it would damage their brand, cost a lot, and impact viewership.
Hopefully doping control at major events outside of Worlds and Olympics has anti-doping governing bodies present and administering indiscriminate testing.
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My assumption it is being done to highlight the corruption at ADAK.
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I'd take with some caution opinion of haemotologists about exercise physiology, two very different fields even if there is some overlap and specialists of both (e.g. Mike Ashenden, Randy Eichner, Norman Gledhill, all honourable blood doping specialists).
Cardiologists and haematologists were the last ones to acknowledge that blood doping was effective at all, and this chart is prevalent in the textbooks of those disciplines:
About EPO and Kenyans specifically from the academic esearch viewpoint, there remains still only the one ten years old EPO study which has some serious methodological issues. Apparently many Kenyans believe that it works for them, and almost certainly it indeed works for many.
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Here are the hgb ranges from some Kenyans banned for ABP violations (unfortunately the hgb values of the EPO cheats were rarely published, as they aren’t relevant for a guilty verdict):
Kiptum: hgb 18.4 – 20.2 g/dl (+10%)
Wanjiru: hgb 15.6 – 19.4 g/dl (+24%)
Rutto: 16.6 – 19.2 g/dl (+16%)
J. Chepkirui: hgb 13.8 – 16.8 g/dl (+22%)11 -
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