Another Kipchoge "teammate" popped for dope!

Seems like this is headed toward the Usain Bolt or El G way. Weird how the legendary runners are clean, yet somehow many of their training partners get busted.

Why would he dope, everyone here knows the East Africans have a genetic advantage that just makes them better. They don’t have a way to refrigerate epo and they have no concept of time. His results were just the result of training like a monk on a dirt track.

Well, if Eliud Kipchoge is doping too and gets caught, then I imagine that could be a bit of a setback to the sport.

Cycling survived Lance Armstrong though, so I imagine Athletics would be fine as well.

If Kipchoge is doping, his best course of action is to probably just run Boston and New York next year, and then the Olympics in '24 and call it a career.

I don't think he would need to dope in order to win any of those races, because it's impossible to set any world records at Boston or New York, and the course at the Olympics in Paris is obviously not going to be fast either.

So just get out while you're still testing clean and leave your legacy intact.

I suppose it's possible for him to get below 2:01:09. But if he is doping, why risk it, just let 2:01:09 be the mark.

I see there was mention of the Bowerman Track Club (or rather Grant Fisher). I imagine it would be unfair to say that everyone on that team was doping too just because of Shelby Houlihan. In that, it would be unfair to suggest or imply that Grant Fisher or anyone else is doping just because she tested positive; in a guilt by association.

Likewise, is it also fair to hold any of them above suspicion, because they did after all have a drug cheat in their ranks?

Of course, with the NN Running Team, or with the Bowerman Track Club, both instances could be a case of one or two members of the team doping on their own in hopes of achieving individual glory. Unfortunately though, their actions and choices can taint everyone else around them.

It would be interesting to see how Nike would react if Eliud Kipchoge did get caught doping, because running is much more important to the company than cycling ever was (which is basically zero in terms of importance). Given their position of power in the sport of running, the cynic in me kind of thinks that any positive test will never been made public. No, he would just "retire."

At this point it is pretty obviois Kipchoge is using his team as candies in a coal mine. They take a substance for a period of time and if they don't pop he knows he won't.

If any pacer in a race tests positive it should negate the time. You can't use a cheater to set a pace and claim it was clean.

El G is the filthiest runner in this entire sport. 32 sub 3:30 clockings, an untouchable WR 25 years later, his training partner / personal pacemaker busted for doping a year later (Adil Kaouch). Retired out of nowhere in the middle of his prime in 2005 with the introduction of a reliable EPO test despite talking about chasing the 5,000m world record, and less than 12 months removed from 1,500/5,000 gold. Not to mention the ludicrous training schedule, running 4:40 pace every single day. I guess Kaouch didn't have the same level of protection he did.

Ive always wondered if he was popped and they told him to ride off quietly into the sunset instead of killing the sports reputation. Reminds me of the steroid era in baseball, where we all knew what was happening but it was too entertaining to take your eyes off of it.

Now that's a new twist on the cliché.

That was what all the apologists said about Kenya before they actually decided to stop protecting them.

Too happy and smiley, religious and loving of their mothers to ever cheat.

It's a myth. Stop falling for it.

Seriously? Do you really not know them?

Kenya has been stomping the piss out of every other country in distance running for decades. To find out that large percentages of their athletes are doping does not automatically indicate that the rest of the world is doping too.

Kacheran + Rutto = 2 caught and banned athletes.

Decker + Houlihan = 2 caught and banned athletes.

You are welcome.

Yes , distance runners also use testosterone injections. They training they do at that level breaks their body down , they need testosterone injections more than all other athletes , arguably.

*Canaries

I could not find any figures online - how many times was Kipchoge drug tested last year? Or ever for that matter?

Do you mean Kibowat Kandies?

Totally agree with this. I have reached out to the AIU asking how come. I have yet to receive a response.

This whole thread is about
Fishing in troubled water

(thanks God I found the translation using Google)

A cynical view of this could be that, if Kipchoge is doping, and figuratively speaking everyone else is doping too, he's still beating them; he's still faster than all of the other dopers.

And Kipchoge is probably 40. I remember that Wired article on Breaking2:

Whatever age he is, and if he is doping, he's the best of everyone else who is doping too.

I of course like to think that he's not doping, but if he is, well, that's unfortunate. And that's life.

I'm sure I was aware of it before, but the first time doping became a thing that was front and center to me was when Ben Johnson tested positive in Seoul in '88. I was a big Carl Lewis fan, and it was like, "How the hell did Ben Johnson beat him?" "Oh, he was doping. Okay." And I guess Carl Lewis has had his issues, what with those three failed tests at the '88 Olympic trails being dismissed "due to 'inadvertent' use."

Anyway, again, hopefully Kipchoge is clean, but if he's not, then so be it. C'est la vie.

The only one that anyone can know for sure isn't doping is themselves.

Do you mean canaries in a coal mine?

US has a far worse doping record. Or are you dividing the US into two teams of sprinters and distance runners?