Yes, he was. That is your ignorance. He ran 45.7 in a relay. Rudisha's best was 45.13.
No he wasn't. That is your ignorance. You are not even aware of the difference between a 400m run from the blocks and a relay time. Educate yourself. Being a narcissist doesn't mean you are always right, even if you want to believe so.
The difference in a relay would be around 0.4. So Coe could run around 46-flat (since he stumbled at the beginning of his run). But since you choose to make this personal I will take that as an admission that you lack confidence in your own arguments.
We can. They never raced each other or competed in the same era.
You are biased toward the old non-African guard. You show it in almost every post when it is germane. You love Snell, Walker, Coe and all your “pristine” heroes. You are not worth listening to when your heroes are involved. You are blind to this even after I attempt to lift the veil of ignorance from your eyes.
I can easily guess what nationality your heroes are.
I love the thread here. Last night I happened to watch a bit of 'Return to London' (2012 Olympics) . . . on the The Olympic Channel. When I tuned in, they were just lining up to run the men's 800 final. 10 years on, I have the same reaction . . . no one was going to beat that David Rudisha on that day. And for purposes of this thread, I guess I'm giving the nod to Rudisha over Kipketer and Coe (despite being a gigantic fan of both runners). However, there is one more guy I'd like to throw in the mix of this hypothetical race . . . and it's not Ovett or Cruz or Gray or any other 800 meter man. It's the Cuban, Alberto Juantorena. El Caballo (The Horse). Injuries cut his career short, but from 1976 to 1979 he was fantastic to watch. If you are too young to remember him, a few bits here. With his powerful long stride, I think he'd be competitve in our race. Alberto Juantorena 1976 Montreal Olympics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtsTHhep_DA (Includes both his Olympic 400 and 800 final.) 800 Gold: 1:43.50: New world record 400 Gold: 44.26 Height: 6′ 3″ Weight: 185 lbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Juantorena
I am not sure why some of you are going on and on about who runs what for 400m or even 1500m. I guess I had interpreted the OP as envisioning an 800m race. In an 800m race by far the most important factor is how well the 3 are able to run 800m. It appears that Coe finishes 3rd. Rudisha and Kipketer are more difficult to separate. It could go either way for 1st and 2nd, although it is difficult to pick against the guy who ran under 1:41 in an Olympic Final without a pacemaker and with a gold medal on the line.
Yet despite there being over 30 years distance between Coe and Rudisha and the Kenyan great having the further advantage of a more modern track results in him being only 0.8sec faster. Put either of them in a time machine and your confident result could be reversed. There is no way Rudisha runs 1.40.9 in 1981 or Coe is not better in 2012 than he was in 1981.
You are always so concerned about drugs. The testing for drugs was so unsophisticated then that you had the likes of Jarmila Kratochvilova setting a still standing world record in the women’s 800m. Do not be so sure that Coe would be faster in 2012. Where are the women to break that record? Maybe current drug testing prevents it.
How do you compare two confirmed 800m talents with a runner that was appearing 1 or 2 times by year and that run only twice under 1:43.
You might want to reflect on what were the fastest 800m times 15 and 30 years before Coe, because that is the comparison being made with Kipketer and Rudisha.
Yet despite there being over 30 years distance between Coe and Rudisha and the Kenyan great having the further advantage of a more modern track results in him being only 0.8sec faster. Put either of them in a time machine and your confident result could be reversed. There is no way Rudisha runs 1.40.9 in 1981 or Coe is not better in 2012 than he was in 1981.
You are always so concerned about drugs. The testing for drugs was so unsophisticated then that you had the likes of Jarmila Kratochvilova setting a still standing world record in the women’s 800m. Do not be so sure that Coe would be faster in 2012. Where are the women to break that record? Maybe current drug testing prevents it.
If you are wanting to suggest Coe's record was doped we can easily go down that path and say the same for Kipketer and Rudisha. EPO was available in the '90's in Kipketer's era, when there was also no test for it, and by 2012 it was known that drugs could be masked. Doping easily beats current drug testing.
It wasn't the greatest middle distance performance in history. Rudisha beat an 18 year-old Amos by only 0.8s. In Rome in '60 Elliott beat his own world record and destroyed the field, beating the second placegetter, Michel Jazy, by an astonishing 2.8secs. It was a greater competitive feat than Rudisha's - as brilliant as his win was. (Jazy was also an arguably better runner than Amos. He went on to become the world record holder in the mile and 2 miles).
Rudisha was only 0.8 secs faster than Coe's record, over 3 decades later and on a superior track. Only a fool would suggest that Coe would not have been able to match Rudisha if they had competed in the same era in the same conditions.
I hate to break it to you, but 0.8 in the 800 is a BIG difference.
I love the thread here. Last night I happened to watch a bit of 'Return to London' (2012 Olympics) . . . on the The Olympic Channel. When I tuned in, they were just lining up to run the men's 800 final. 10 years on, I have the same reaction . . . no one was going to beat that David Rudisha on that day. And for purposes of this thread, I guess I'm giving the nod to Rudisha over Kipketer and Coe (despite being a gigantic fan of both runners). However, there is one more guy I'd like to throw in the mix of this hypothetical race . . . and it's not Ovett or Cruz or Gray or any other 800 meter man. It's the Cuban, Alberto Juantorena. El Caballo (The Horse). Injuries cut his career short, but from 1976 to 1979 he was fantastic to watch. If you are too young to remember him, a few bits here. With his powerful long stride, I think he'd be competitve in our race. Alberto Juantorena 1976 Montreal Olympics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtsTHhep_DA (Includes both his Olympic 400 and 800 final.) 800 Gold: 1:43.50: New world record 400 Gold: 44.26 Height: 6′ 3″ Weight: 185 lbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Juantorena
Juantorena was able to run 20.7 over the 200 - unbelievable for an 800 runner. Clearly, he had the fastest basic speed of those being discussed. However the 800 is often won by the athlete with greater endurance - which includes the 800/1500 type, of whom Snell was one and so was Coe.
Coe couldn’t even win a gold medal at 800m despite having been in 2 Olympic 800m Finals in his prime. So he is not going to win against the 2 fastest 800m runners in history. Coe gets 3rd.
It wasn't the greatest middle distance performance in history. Rudisha beat an 18 year-old Amos by only 0.8s. In Rome in '60 Elliott beat his own world record and destroyed the field, beating the second placegetter, Michel Jazy, by an astonishing 2.8secs. It was a greater competitive feat than Rudisha's - as brilliant as his win was. (Jazy was also an arguably better runner than Amos. He went on to become the world record holder in the mile and 2 miles).
Rudisha was only 0.8 secs faster than Coe's record, over 3 decades later and on a superior track. Only a fool would suggest that Coe would not have been able to match Rudisha if they had competed in the same era in the same conditions.
I hate to break it to you, but 0.8 in the 800 is a BIG difference.
It isn't as dominant as 2.8 secs in the 1500. But since you think 0.8 secs is a big difference in the 800 what do you say then of Coe beating the previous wr by more than twice that margin - and Snell, for that matter, taking 1.7 off the then previous record for the half? The most Rudisha has taken off the 800 record is 0.2.
Coe couldn’t even win a gold medal at 800m despite having been in 2 Olympic 800m Finals in his prime. So he is not going to win against the 2 fastest 800m runners in history. Coe gets 3rd.
Coe couldn’t even win a gold medal at 800m despite having been in 2 Olympic 800m Finals in his prime. So he is not going to win against the 2 fastest 800m runners in history. Coe gets 3rd.
BTW, Kipketer couldn't win an Olympic gold either, despite being in two finals.
Coe couldn’t even win a gold medal at 800m despite having been in 2 Olympic 800m Finals in his prime. So he is not going to win against the 2 fastest 800m runners in history. Coe gets 3rd.
His prime over the 800 was 1981.
Oh please…then he must be ruled out as an all time great at 800m if he only had one good year.
I love the thread here. Last night I happened to watch a bit of 'Return to London' (2012 Olympics) . . . on the The Olympic Channel. When I tuned in, they were just lining up to run the men's 800 final. 10 years on, I have the same reaction . . . no one was going to beat that David Rudisha on that day. And for purposes of this thread, I guess I'm giving the nod to Rudisha over Kipketer and Coe (despite being a gigantic fan of both runners). However, there is one more guy I'd like to throw in the mix of this hypothetical race . . . and it's not Ovett or Cruz or Gray or any other 800 meter man. It's the Cuban, Alberto Juantorena. El Caballo (The Horse). Injuries cut his career short, but from 1976 to 1979 he was fantastic to watch. If you are too young to remember him, a few bits here. With his powerful long stride, I think he'd be competitve in our race. Alberto Juantorena 1976 Montreal Olympics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtsTHhep_DA (Includes both his Olympic 400 and 800 final.) 800 Gold: 1:43.50: New world record 400 Gold: 44.26 Height: 6′ 3″ Weight: 185 lbs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Juantorena
Juantorena was able to run 20.7 over the 200 - unbelievable for an 800 runner. Clearly, he had the fastest basic speed of those being discussed. However the 800 is often won by the athlete with greater endurance - which includes the 800/1500 type, of whom Snell was one and so was Coe.
A very biased and uniformed post. All you had to do is look up 800m Olympic gold medalists. The last two 800m/1500m men to earn 800m Olympic gold, Wottle & S. Ovett. I doubt you believe S. Ovett would have won if there were no boycott, 1980. S. Ovett never won another important 800m race in his life.
Juantorena was able to run 20.7 over the 200 - unbelievable for an 800 runner. Clearly, he had the fastest basic speed of those being discussed. However the 800 is often won by the athlete with greater endurance - which includes the 800/1500 type, of whom Snell was one and so was Coe.
A very biased and uniformed post. All you had to do is look up 800m Olympic gold medalists. The last two 800m/1500m men to earn 800m Olympic gold, Wottle & S. Ovett. I doubt you believe S. Ovett would have won if there were no boycott, 1980. S. Ovett never won another important 800m race in his life.
Both Snell and Coe were the best 800-1500/mile runners in their time. The 800 is not a sprint but also requires endurance - which they both had. Conversely, very few great 400 runners were dominant in the 800 - in the modern era only Juantorena comes to mind. (Before him, you have to go back to Mal Whitfield). That said, most of the best 800 runners are specialists. However, as both Snell and Coe showed (and Wottle and Ovett), their superior endurance was an advantage in the shorter race (even if Coe was sometimes tactically deficient).
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