I'm excited for my buddy Matt Taylor who founded Tracksmith. From a business standpoint, I've always wondered how apparel companies that make great products make money as their stuff lasts a long time. How often would I need to replace my trackmsmith tights? Once a decade, maybe?
A shoe is something that constantly breaks down and has to be replaced. So it's a smart business move.
Note: The title of the thread was initially, "Are you excited about the Tracksmith Eliot Runner?" but I changed it to make it more descriptive and added in the link to the shoe in the first post as it only contained the picture.
I’ll 100% get a pair but probably just wear them casually.
I will never understand the resentment that Tracksmith gets on this forum. They make high qualify gear at a similar price point to Nike’s high quality stuff, but they are a small business that wants to represent the spirit of serious but amateur runners which is 100% the demo of this forum.
I wish them the best of luck and hope they continue to grow the business, but selfishly I hope they stay pretty niche. If you happen to meet someone wearing a Tracksmith jacket or tshirt, you automatically know they are pretty into running. Its a great conversation starter. If you are going to spend $90 on a polo anyway, why not buy from a company that shares and promotes your passion for running?
I don't get the resentment either. I think their accessories are overpriced but love all the clothing I own, like their 8nvolvememt, and think they are good for running.
I can only think it is lazy jealousy from people that have to shop the discount racks and want quality clothing like Tracksmith.
Nobody here has tried the shoe, so we don't know if it's good. We do know they spent years developing it, and we know they hired experienced shoe designers from other brands to work on it.
The concept is interesting. The midsole is a pretty hard, high density foam, but it has a 10mm blown-pebax insole that provides most of the cushioning. The idea is that you can replace that insole before the rest of the shoe wears out, so you can get a springy, new-shoe feeling after a few hundred miles, without having to buy an entirely new shoe that still has plenty of life in the upper and outsole.
$200 seems like the right price point. $150-$160 has become pretty standard for a lot of trainers over the last year or two, so the Tracksmith premium is only about 35%. If the replaceable insoles mean you get more mileage out of it, then the price isn't so bad.
If it gets good reviews, I'll probably give it a shot for at least one pair. I like having at least one pair of trainers that look decent. It's nice when traveling to have running shoes that I'm not embarrassed to wear on a plane.
How do you know the bolded? I haven't seen any details other than some social media posts, definitely not details on the designer
I like Tracksmith apparel. The singlets look nice, Merino tops are good value (esp when they go on sale in summer) and the shorts are really functional and high quality. I hardly even run in any other shorts/tights anymore, those are just backup stock now.
However the wirite-up has me baffled. Trail beside the apshalt path? Pine needle path? What? Why would I run NEXT to asphalt rather than on it? It's the kind of surface that makes the running the most fun. Track is too soft, concrete is too hard, trail is...different, never has that pop and can be just mud. Living in Berlin I have a lot of beautiful routes and good access to tracks, yet for a feel-good run I either warm-up 5 km to an asphalt path by Spandauer channel or travel 6 minutes on train to Mauerweg.
Also, white trainer shoe that is supposed to look nice. I have to wash black and dark blue trainers every week or so because of how terribly dirty they get. How could this be practical.
I am happy to explain the resentment for Tracksmith! It's my bread and butter, especially every time they come up with a ridiculous new product or collection. I'll try to keep things concise.
I'll preface this by saying that I really do like some of their programs for amateur athlete support, as well as what Russell Dinkins does to try and save college programs and grow youth running programs. However their brand and the products they sell really rub me the wrong way. It's so ironic that they play up the celebration of amateurs and blue-collar runners, when their products are anything but blue-collar, in fact they're very inaccessible for average people. Running has always been the sport for the masses, where there are relatively less barriers to entry than other sports, but Tracksmith could not let this happen. The whole brand reeks of northeast/Ivy League elitism (which I have grown up around and have a strong distaste for, so I know it when I see it) and their target customers are the wealthiest people in the suburbs and the city. They made a lot of noise about honoring Bill Rodgers, even though realistically, someone like him in his competitive years would have thought a 100% cotton t-shirt for over $60 was the douchiest thing ever. Boston Bill was a true blue-collar runner who rummaged through a trash can for his gear. Tracksmith is also a parody of itself: their mascot is the hare from the tortoise and the hare... the hare LOSES the race because it gets too distracted by a bunch of other stupid external crap (Tracksmith).
When Tracksmith launched their "No Days Off" winter apparel collection last year, it was comical how expensive everything was. If I need a full kit from Tracksmith to brave the elements in New England, I could just buy TWO treadmills for the same cost and never need to worry about the weather. Or I could buy a round trip flight to somewhere down south for the winter for a similar price. Also "No Days Off" possibly glorifying burnout?! ...that can be a separate conversation.
The "Eliot Runner" is no better. Vintage Tracksmith move to not even show full pictures of it and say that we need to be at London or Chicago or at their Boston Frathouse in order to check it out. "Reserve your spot in line today". Gatekeeping at its finest. $200 for a pebax shoe with no plate? I can get the Nike Zoomx Invincible or a Saucony Freedom for much less, and both will have much better details in the upper, etc. Look at how thick those laces are! No information on heel-toe drop, weight, or literally anything, other than pebax followed by some relatable imagery about the feeling of packed dirt in Anywhere, New England. And I agree with another poster's point that this description creates confusion about whether it's supposed to be some sort of hybrid trail shoe.
Sure, Tracksmith is a great conversation starter. If I see someone rocking the hare I can instantly ask them if they went to Yale or Harvard, if they prefer missionary or missionary, or whether they plan to have a kid when they're 50 years old in Lexington, Concord, or Weston? People who were excited to buy the Allbirds "Dasher" will buy this shoe. It's gonna be a no for me.
I don’t understand the obsession with the price point. Their singlets and shorts cost the same as Nike’s Aeroswift line. And I don’t think they are trying to play up “blue collar” anything. They are trying to appeal to a throwback era of amateur college track and cross country. Their aesthetic is unique. I dig it, but I can totally understand if someone doesn’t. I just don’t get why people hate it with such passion. It’s not like they are some fashion house asking $300 for a tshirt. To me, it’s a brand that makes nice stuff and stands for amateur distance running so I would rather buy from them than some mega corp.
I’ll 100% get a pair but probably just wear them casually.
I will never understand the resentment that Tracksmith gets on this forum. They make high qualify gear at a similar price point to Nike’s high quality stuff, but they are a small business that wants to represent the spirit of serious but amateur runners which is 100% the demo of this forum.
I wish them the best of luck and hope they continue to grow the business, but selfishly I hope they stay pretty niche. If you happen to meet someone wearing a Tracksmith jacket or tshirt, you automatically know they are pretty into running. Its a great conversation starter. If you are going to spend $90 on a polo anyway, why not buy from a company that shares and promotes your passion for running?
I am happy to explain the resentment for Tracksmith! It's my bread and butter, especially every time they come up with a ridiculous new product or collection. I'll try to keep things concise.
I'll preface this by saying that I really do like some of their programs for amateur athlete support, as well as what Russell Dinkins does to try and save college programs and grow youth running programs. However their brand and the products they sell really rub me the wrong way. It's so ironic that they play up the celebration of amateurs and blue-collar runners, when their products are anything but blue-collar, in fact they're very inaccessible for average people. Running has always been the sport for the masses, where there are relatively less barriers to entry than other sports, but Tracksmith could not let this happen. The whole brand reeks of northeast/Ivy League elitism (which I have grown up around and have a strong distaste for, so I know it when I see it) and their target customers are the wealthiest people in the suburbs and the city. They made a lot of noise about honoring Bill Rodgers, even though realistically, someone like him in his competitive years would have thought a 100% cotton t-shirt for over $60 was the douchiest thing ever. Boston Bill was a true blue-collar runner who rummaged through a trash can for his gear. Tracksmith is also a parody of itself: their mascot is the hare from the tortoise and the hare... the hare LOSES the race because it gets too distracted by a bunch of other stupid external crap (Tracksmith).
When Tracksmith launched their "No Days Off" winter apparel collection last year, it was comical how expensive everything was. If I need a full kit from Tracksmith to brave the elements in New England, I could just buy TWO treadmills for the same cost and never need to worry about the weather. Or I could buy a round trip flight to somewhere down south for the winter for a similar price. Also "No Days Off" possibly glorifying burnout?! ...that can be a separate conversation.
The "Eliot Runner" is no better. Vintage Tracksmith move to not even show full pictures of it and say that we need to be at London or Chicago or at their Boston Frathouse in order to check it out. "Reserve your spot in line today". Gatekeeping at its finest. $200 for a pebax shoe with no plate? I can get the Nike Zoomx Invincible or a Saucony Freedom for much less, and both will have much better details in the upper, etc. Look at how thick those laces are! No information on heel-toe drop, weight, or literally anything, other than pebax followed by some relatable imagery about the feeling of packed dirt in Anywhere, New England. And I agree with another poster's point that this description creates confusion about whether it's supposed to be some sort of hybrid trail shoe.
Sure, Tracksmith is a great conversation starter. If I see someone rocking the hare I can instantly ask them if they went to Yale or Harvard, if they prefer missionary or missionary, or whether they plan to have a kid when they're 50 years old in Lexington, Concord, or Weston? People who were excited to buy the Allbirds "Dasher" will buy this shoe. It's gonna be a no for me.
I love this narrative that the amateurs of old were somehow different than the amateurs of today. Bill Rodgers went to a private liberal arts college in the northeast. And your right he would never have been able to afford these prices and would have scoffed at it. But he also scoffed at the prices in those days for a training shoe and would run in anything someone gave him for free or paid him to wear. And who subsidized that free stuff? The wealthy suburbanites who bought running shoes to run like Bill and GBTC.
In fact the “amateurs” that tracksmith supports probably aren’t good enough to be on the radar of the new balance of the 70s/80s. They are more generous to the average amateur than any company prior.
You’re romanticizing the past. You need to grow up and accept the present.
Nobody here has tried the shoe, so we don't know if it's good. We do know they spent years developing it, and we know they hired experienced shoe designers from other brands to work on it.
The concept is interesting. The midsole is a pretty hard, high density foam, but it has a 10mm blown-pebax insole that provides most of the cushioning. The idea is that you can replace that insole before the rest of the shoe wears out, so you can get a springy, new-shoe feeling after a few hundred miles, without having to buy an entirely new shoe that still has plenty of life in the upper and outsole.
$200 seems like the right price point. $150-$160 has become pretty standard for a lot of trainers over the last year or two, so the Tracksmith premium is only about 35%. If the replaceable insoles mean you get more mileage out of it, then the price isn't so bad.
If it gets good reviews, I'll probably give it a shot for at least one pair. I like having at least one pair of trainers that look decent. It's nice when traveling to have running shoes that I'm not embarrassed to wear on a plane.
How do you know the bolded? I haven't seen any details other than some social media posts, definitely not details on the designer
I’ll 100% get a pair but probably just wear them casually.
I will never understand the resentment that Tracksmith gets on this forum. They make high qualify gear at a similar price point to Nike’s high quality stuff, but they are a small business that wants to represent the spirit of serious but amateur runners which is 100% the demo of this forum.
I wish them the best of luck and hope they continue to grow the business, but selfishly I hope they stay pretty niche. If you happen to meet someone wearing a Tracksmith jacket or tshirt, you automatically know they are pretty into running. Its a great conversation starter. If you are going to spend $90 on a polo anyway, why not buy from a company that shares and promotes your passion for running?
I am happy to explain the resentment for Tracksmith! It's my bread and butter, especially every time they come up with a ridiculous new product or collection. I'll try to keep things concise.
I'll preface this by saying that I really do like some of their programs for amateur athlete support, as well as what Russell Dinkins does to try and save college programs and grow youth running programs. However their brand and the products they sell really rub me the wrong way. It's so ironic that they play up the celebration of amateurs and blue-collar runners, when their products are anything but blue-collar, in fact they're very inaccessible for average people. Running has always been the sport for the masses, where there are relatively less barriers to entry than other sports, but Tracksmith could not let this happen. The whole brand reeks of northeast/Ivy League elitism (which I have grown up around and have a strong distaste for, so I know it when I see it) and their target customers are the wealthiest people in the suburbs and the city. They made a lot of noise about honoring Bill Rodgers, even though realistically, someone like him in his competitive years would have thought a 100% cotton t-shirt for over $60 was the douchiest thing ever. Boston Bill was a true blue-collar runner who rummaged through a trash can for his gear. Tracksmith is also a parody of itself: their mascot is the hare from the tortoise and the hare... the hare LOSES the race because it gets too distracted by a bunch of other stupid external crap (Tracksmith).
When Tracksmith launched their "No Days Off" winter apparel collection last year, it was comical how expensive everything was. If I need a full kit from Tracksmith to brave the elements in New England, I could just buy TWO treadmills for the same cost and never need to worry about the weather. Or I could buy a round trip flight to somewhere down south for the winter for a similar price. Also "No Days Off" possibly glorifying burnout?! ...that can be a separate conversation.
The "Eliot Runner" is no better. Vintage Tracksmith move to not even show full pictures of it and say that we need to be at London or Chicago or at their Boston Frathouse in order to check it out. "Reserve your spot in line today". Gatekeeping at its finest. $200 for a pebax shoe with no plate? I can get the Nike Zoomx Invincible or a Saucony Freedom for much less, and both will have much better details in the upper, etc. Look at how thick those laces are! No information on heel-toe drop, weight, or literally anything, other than pebax followed by some relatable imagery about the feeling of packed dirt in Anywhere, New England. And I agree with another poster's point that this description creates confusion about whether it's supposed to be some sort of hybrid trail shoe.
Sure, Tracksmith is a great conversation starter. If I see someone rocking the hare I can instantly ask them if they went to Yale or Harvard, if they prefer missionary or missionary, or whether they plan to have a kid when they're 50 years old in Lexington, Concord, or Weston? People who were excited to buy the Allbirds "Dasher" will buy this shoe. It's gonna be a no for me.
I was going to write something similar, but you said it better than I could. LRC used to be obsessed with the BLUE COLLAR runner. Tracksmith is too pretentious and seems like the antithesis of BLUE COLLAR.
Also, white trainer shoe that is supposed to look nice. I have to wash black and dark blue trainers every week or so because of how terribly dirty they get. How could this be practical.
I'm old enough to remember when virtually every single running shoe was white. In the 80s. it was fine.
Great to see T'smith moving into shoes. They've spent a lot of time and money helping competitive running at the local competitive level - We all should hope they have huge success so they can do more for us.
And an excellent point someone made - T'smith clothes lasts for 10 years...they need something that has to be replaced. Like shoes.
Regardless of anything else, at $200, I can get the alphaflys or vaporflys on sale, any of the Saucony endorphin line, or basically any Brooks shoe. No way I'd choose the Tracksmith shoe over any of those for any reason.
I like tracksmith, but I am not excited about these shoes. It looks like a competent trainer, but the world doesn't need more of those. There are about 10 decent trainers people who run in trainers could buy on runningwarehouse today. They should have made a low stack, low drop flat to capture an open space in the market.
Tracksmith's shoe will ultimately sell because they have done a masterful job at marketing. They have a big share in the running aesthetic when very other company worries about turning away casuals who feel 6 mile training runs are intimidating.
I am happy to explain the resentment for Tracksmith! It's my bread and butter, especially every time they come up with a ridiculous new product or collection. I'll try to keep things concise.
I'll preface this by saying that I really do like some of their programs for amateur athlete support, as well as what Russell Dinkins does to try and save college programs and grow youth running programs. However their brand and the products they sell really rub me the wrong way. It's so ironic that they play up the celebration of amateurs and blue-collar runners, when their products are anything but blue-collar, in fact they're very inaccessible for average people. Running has always been the sport for the masses, where there are relatively less barriers to entry than other sports, but Tracksmith could not let this happen. The whole brand reeks of northeast/Ivy League elitism (which I have grown up around and have a strong distaste for, so I know it when I see it) and their target customers are the wealthiest people in the suburbs and the city. They made a lot of noise about honoring Bill Rodgers, even though realistically, someone like him in his competitive years would have thought a 100% cotton t-shirt for over $60 was the douchiest thing ever. Boston Bill was a true blue-collar runner who rummaged through a trash can for his gear. Tracksmith is also a parody of itself: their mascot is the hare from the tortoise and the hare... the hare LOSES the race because it gets too distracted by a bunch of other stupid external crap (Tracksmith).
When Tracksmith launched their "No Days Off" winter apparel collection last year, it was comical how expensive everything was. If I need a full kit from Tracksmith to brave the elements in New England, I could just buy TWO treadmills for the same cost and never need to worry about the weather. Or I could buy a round trip flight to somewhere down south for the winter for a similar price. Also "No Days Off" possibly glorifying burnout?! ...that can be a separate conversation.
The "Eliot Runner" is no better. Vintage Tracksmith move to not even show full pictures of it and say that we need to be at London or Chicago or at their Boston Frathouse in order to check it out. "Reserve your spot in line today". Gatekeeping at its finest. $200 for a pebax shoe with no plate? I can get the Nike Zoomx Invincible or a Saucony Freedom for much less, and both will have much better details in the upper, etc. Look at how thick those laces are! No information on heel-toe drop, weight, or literally anything, other than pebax followed by some relatable imagery about the feeling of packed dirt in Anywhere, New England. And I agree with another poster's point that this description creates confusion about whether it's supposed to be some sort of hybrid trail shoe.
Sure, Tracksmith is a great conversation starter. If I see someone rocking the hare I can instantly ask them if they went to Yale or Harvard, if they prefer missionary or missionary, or whether they plan to have a kid when they're 50 years old in Lexington, Concord, or Weston? People who were excited to buy the Allbirds "Dasher" will buy this shoe. It's gonna be a no for me.
I was going to write something similar, but you said it better than I could. LRC used to be obsessed with the BLUE COLLAR runner. Tracksmith is too pretentious and seems like the antithesis of BLUE COLLAR.
Tracksmith is for runners who want to look blue collar but also want to look like they have money at the same time. Their products are quality, but they sell aesthetic.
Judging by the outsole suggests Saucony involvement in this venture.
I'd be surprised if Puma weren't part of the team....T'smith has a project going with Puma right now on the clothes side. And people seem to like the Puma shoes, but the brand isn't valuable in the serious running shoe market.
And obvi Puma and T'smith have a lot in common in terms of stressing appearance and style.
The equivalents of this shoe are the NB Rebel, Nike Peg Turbo, Saucony Freedom, Asics Novablast, Brooks Ghost, Reebok FloatRide Energy. It's a robust category of light, cushioned daily trainers featuring a pebax or supercritical foam, and they're generally priced $50+ less at full retail than the Eliot. The reason why people will grab the Eliot has largely been explained by what generally sets TS apart from competitors, to support the little guy, to get something that's a bit different from the everyday, to give business to company that's dedicated to the sport, and yes to be among the first and be able to show off that status whether an influencer or a wannabe influencer.
The equivalents of this shoe are the NB Rebel, Nike Peg Turbo, Saucony Freedom, Asics Novablast, Brooks Ghost, Reebok FloatRide Energy. It's a robust category of light, cushioned daily trainers featuring a pebax or supercritical foam, and they're generally priced $50+ less at full retail than the Eliot. The reason why people will grab the Eliot has largely been explained by what generally sets TS apart from competitors, to support the little guy, to get something that's a bit different from the everyday, to give business to company that's dedicated to the sport, and yes to be among the first and be able to show off that status whether an influencer or a wannabe influencer.
I am happy to explain the resentment for Tracksmith! It's my bread and butter, especially every time they come up with a ridiculous new product or collection. I'll try to keep things concise.
I'll preface this by saying that I really do like some of their programs for amateur athlete support, as well as what Russell Dinkins does to try and save college programs and grow youth running programs. However their brand and the products they sell really rub me the wrong way. It's so ironic that they play up the celebration of amateurs and blue-collar runners, when their products are anything but blue-collar, in fact they're very inaccessible for average people. Running has always been the sport for the masses, where there are relatively less barriers to entry than other sports, but Tracksmith could not let this happen. The whole brand reeks of northeast/Ivy League elitism (which I have grown up around and have a strong distaste for, so I know it when I see it) and their target customers are the wealthiest people in the suburbs and the city. They made a lot of noise about honoring Bill Rodgers, even though realistically, someone like him in his competitive years would have thought a 100% cotton t-shirt for over $60 was the douchiest thing ever. Boston Bill was a true blue-collar runner who rummaged through a trash can for his gear. Tracksmith is also a parody of itself: their mascot is the hare from the tortoise and the hare... the hare LOSES the race because it gets too distracted by a bunch of other stupid external crap (Tracksmith).
When Tracksmith launched their "No Days Off" winter apparel collection last year, it was comical how expensive everything was. If I need a full kit from Tracksmith to brave the elements in New England, I could just buy TWO treadmills for the same cost and never need to worry about the weather. Or I could buy a round trip flight to somewhere down south for the winter for a similar price. Also "No Days Off" possibly glorifying burnout?! ...that can be a separate conversation.
The "Eliot Runner" is no better. Vintage Tracksmith move to not even show full pictures of it and say that we need to be at London or Chicago or at their Boston Frathouse in order to check it out. "Reserve your spot in line today". Gatekeeping at its finest. $200 for a pebax shoe with no plate? I can get the Nike Zoomx Invincible or a Saucony Freedom for much less, and both will have much better details in the upper, etc. Look at how thick those laces are! No information on heel-toe drop, weight, or literally anything, other than pebax followed by some relatable imagery about the feeling of packed dirt in Anywhere, New England. And I agree with another poster's point that this description creates confusion about whether it's supposed to be some sort of hybrid trail shoe.
Sure, Tracksmith is a great conversation starter. If I see someone rocking the hare I can instantly ask them if they went to Yale or Harvard, if they prefer missionary or missionary, or whether they plan to have a kid when they're 50 years old in Lexington, Concord, or Weston? People who were excited to buy the Allbirds "Dasher" will buy this shoe. It's gonna be a no for me.
I don’t understand the obsession with the price point. Their singlets and shorts cost the same as Nike’s Aeroswift line. And I don’t think they are trying to play up “blue collar” anything. They are trying to appeal to a throwback era of amateur college track and cross country. Their aesthetic is unique. I dig it, but I can totally understand if someone doesn’t. I just don’t get why people hate it with such passion. It’s not like they are some fashion house asking $300 for a tshirt. To me, it’s a brand that makes nice stuff and stands for amateur distance running so I would rather buy from them than some mega corp.
Newsflash for the oblivious rich folk populating LRC and especially this thread:
PEOPLE HATE THE RICH. Tarksmith markets affluence-signaling gear of the first order. If class warfare breaks out and the rich are running for their lives, the first thing they'll do is bury their tarksmith gear like a Russian burying their uniforms on the retreat out of Ukraine.
As noted upthread, tarksmith's hawking of gear based on Bill Rogers nostalgia is disgusting. Bill was the kind of guy who would have been insulted by the parents of a tarksmith wearer when they were younger for being, GASP, lower class. Bill is too good for the rich who want to claim him now.
I don’t understand the obsession with the price point. Their singlets and shorts cost the same as Nike’s Aeroswift line. And I don’t think they are trying to play up “blue collar” anything. They are trying to appeal to a throwback era of amateur college track and cross country. Their aesthetic is unique. I dig it, but I can totally understand if someone doesn’t. I just don’t get why people hate it with such passion. It’s not like they are some fashion house asking $300 for a tshirt. To me, it’s a brand that makes nice stuff and stands for amateur distance running so I would rather buy from them than some mega corp.
Newsflash for the oblivious rich folk populating LRC and especially this thread:
PEOPLE HATE THE RICH. Tarksmith markets affluence-signaling gear of the first order. If class warfare breaks out and the rich are running for their lives, the first thing they'll do is bury their tarksmith gear like a Russian burying their uniforms on the retreat out of Ukraine.
As noted upthread, tarksmith's hawking of gear based on Bill Rogers nostalgia is disgusting. Bill was the kind of guy who would have been insulted by the parents of a tarksmith wearer when they were younger for being, GASP, lower class. Bill is too good for the rich who want to claim him now.
Newsflash for the oblivious rich folk populating LRC and especially this thread:
PEOPLE HATE THE RICH. Tarksmith markets affluence-signaling gear of the first order. If class warfare breaks out and the rich are running for their lives, the first thing they'll do is bury their tarksmith gear like a Russian burying their uniforms on the retreat out of Ukraine.
As noted upthread, tarksmith's hawking of gear based on Bill Rogers nostalgia is disgusting. Bill was the kind of guy who would have been insulted by the parents of a tarksmith wearer when they were younger for being, GASP, lower class. Bill is too good for the rich who want to claim him now.
Except Bill did a collaboration with them....
Such ignorance from you
I guess money corrupts. Bill wanted a little of that sweet NE rich-man cashish.
Point still stands 100%. Want to be seen as a pretentious, preening rich douche? Wear tarksmith gear.
I have no opinion on the shoes. But it's weird that people are making fun of Tracksmith's vibe (too precious, etc.) while also saying white shoes are stupid because they'll get dirty.
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