The fact that now Schumacher and Flanagan are now in charge of the most storied college track and field program in America is absurd. The NOP gets shut down for using a legal supplement (L-Carnitine) and the BTC straight up cheats with steroids, has the cheater athlete continue to stay on board, forces the other BTC athletes to train with the cheater, misleads everyone including the AIU, USADA and WADA that she wasn't training with the group (she was living with a staff member at team camp), and yet Schumacher and Flanagan are rewarded with leading our future stars. Why any BTC athlete would remain with that team is perplexing. Why any parent would allow for their kid to go to Oregon is equally as perplexing. This really shouldn't go away.
The fact that now Schumacher and Flanagan are now in charge of the most storied college track and field program in America is absurd. The NOP gets shut down for using a legal supplement (L-Carnitine) and the BTC straight up cheats with steroids, has the cheater athlete continue to stay on board, forces the other BTC athletes to train with the cheater, misleads everyone including the AIU, USADA and WADA that she wasn't training with the group (she was living with a staff member at team camp), and yet Schumacher and Flanagan are rewarded with leading our future stars. Why any BTC athlete would remain with that team is perplexing. Why any parent would allow for their kid to go to Oregon is equally as perplexing. This really shouldn't go away.
The rumors were always that the Schumacher group was more more boundary pushing, if not outright dirty, while Salazar was just gray/grey zone like being eager to find thyroid issues and asthma to benefit from the meds.
Ok...is this true?
For years I believed that NOP was dirty and BTC was clean. Just being real here. There were no rumors I saw on the boards, nothing. Then Shelby gets busted and all of a sudden everyone is like "oh I always knew!"
DID YOU REALLY ALWAYS KNOW?
There were boards saying Shelby was dirty but most pointed to suspicious progression, not rumors in the group itself.
If there are things that I missed please point it out. I obviously think Shelby was dirty now. I jus never noticed it before.
Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance. “There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!
Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance. “There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!
She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?
Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance. “There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!
I got pulled over for drunk driving with a blood-alcohol level twice the legal limit. But knowing I never intentionally drank alcohol, why didn’t the cops do their due diligence and figure out how the alcohol got there? I was at a restaurant and asked for key lime pie, but they gave me rum cake. And it was super alcoholly rum cake. And I ate 36 slices of it. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was.
Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance. “There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!
She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?
to tell the truth.
stop blaming a burrito and trying to claim innocence. Stop making people question "what if". Explain when she started doping and how, so that information can help keep the sport clean.
She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?
to tell the truth.
stop blaming a burrito and trying to claim innocence. Stop making people question "what if". Explain when she started doping and how, so that information can help keep the sport clean.
just tell the truth.
It’s way, way too late for that and any busted athlete telling the truth is an extreme outlier.
I believe you would actually hate her more if she did what you suggested. I know I would.
She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?
to tell the truth.
stop blaming a burrito and trying to claim innocence. Stop making people question "what if". Explain when she started doping and how, so that information can help keep the sport clean.
just tell the truth.
Exactly. All of the other things Shelby is saying are just red herrings. Pregnancy doesn't cause exogenous nandrolone to occur in the body, nor would eating a a burrito in Beaverton. Her mom saying "why would she cheat" makes zero sense using her own argument. Shelby gets and keeps a Nike contract if she cheats and gets more money from bonuses if she cheats extra well.
All this bait and switch is like some kind of magic trick to create confusion and doubt. Yet none of it speaks to the actual facts of her case which are rock solid against her.
For years I believed that NOP was dirty and BTC was clean. Just being real here. There were no rumors I saw on the boards, nothing. Then Shelby gets busted and all of a sudden everyone is like "oh I always knew!"
DID YOU REALLY ALWAYS KNOW?
There were boards saying Shelby was dirty but most pointed to suspicious progression, not rumors in the group itself.
If there are things that I missed please point it out. I obviously think Shelby was dirty now. I jus never noticed it before.
As someone who did a little Shelbo bashing/Houlifan baiting, I think you are right. I was all about her progressions and debunking the sillier claims about how she'd always been unworldly fast. (My favorite troll was reminding her fans that Houlihan, the defending champ, got outsprinted at NCAAs by a sophomore, Rhianwedd Price. Hardly the stuff of legend.)
The closest I heard to "You know about BTC" was talk the Fancy Bears leak on Jager.
Shelby would drive to the Nike campus up to four times a week at the team’s regular time and the starting point for our regular daily runs together so she could run with us,” DeBues-Stafford said. “If she arrived before us, she would wait for BTC athletes at the meeting spot to see if any BTC athletes arrived so she could run with us. These sometimes included long runs. She also ran with the team on a regular basis at altitude camp in Flagstaff.” Houlihan said she and her attorney inquired about the rules of her ban and were told that she couldn’t go to any practices or work out with anyone on the team, but if she happened to bump into them and they were running at the same place, then she could run with them.
To get away from the he said / she said component, if I were an innocent athlete at the time, I’d try to follow to rules as closely as possible. This behavior confirms the rest while it was wasn’t the food truck perhaps, Shelby was dopping most likely, and got too close to the line to trigger a positive test.
if she is no longer a Nike employee why is she still allowed on campus? All of this taken together seems like she has violated the conditions of the doping ban.
And for supporters, how do you justify that we have known for years the science to catch doping is delayed 3-5 years for what athletes are trying.
This right here. She is crossing the line after she was found guilty. Why not follow the rules to a T? Maybe because she was croasing the lines and breaking rules before she was caught?
Houlihan thinks the system is flawed because the doping agency never had to prove she took a banned substance. “There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
She tests positive for a high level of synthetic nandrolone and she complains about the system because the AIU didn’t “do their due diligence” to figure out how the nandrolone got there?!
She’s banned through the 2024 Olympics so it really doesn’t matter what she thinks. I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined. In addition to the ban, what is it some of you want from her?
Her running career hasn't been ruined. SHE ruined her running career.
“There was obviously something in my system and I understand that I have a responsibility for what’s in my body,” Houlihan said. “But I think knowing that I never intentionally put it there and (I’m) still having to serve a four-year ban is definitely a flaw in the system. I don’t feel like they did their due diligence in trying to figure out what the truth was. It was just at the end of the day I couldn’t, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove where it came from.”
Thought the best part of the article was the above, where Houlihan admits that she is guilty but thinks the rules should be different for her.
The rumors were always that the Schumacher group was more more boundary pushing, if not outright dirty, while Salazar was just gray/grey zone like being eager to find thyroid issues and asthma to benefit from the meds.
I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined.
LOL. What?
1) You have lots of sympathy for her, as you keep standing up for her.
2) She cheated to get an outstanding running career, which now got interrupted due to her carelessness.
Even among drug cheats, she is particularly annoying because of all the extra perks she got/demanded/took:
1) Her provisional ban was kept secret on her request (PR).
2) Her process was expedited by the AIU on her request, skipping the DT (PR).
3) She was re-instated to race at USATF after CAS confirmed her ban (fortunately only temporarily).
4) Although she kept training normally with BTC while provisionally banned, including at the altitude camp, those months counted towards the four year ban (in contrast to the rules!).
5) Even after her ban, she continued to get trained by Schumacher, and do easy and long runs with the team (possibly breaking the rules again).
At minimum, her ban should extended to start at the day of the CAS decision. IMHO the ban should start sometime this year when she really stopped training with BTC, whenever exactly that was.
I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined.
LOL. What?
1) You have lots of sympathy for her, as you keep standing up for her.
2) She cheated to get an outstanding running career, which now got interrupted due to her carelessness.
Even among drug cheats, she is particularly annoying because of all the extra perks she got/demanded/took:
1) Her provisional ban was kept secret on her request (PR).
2) Her process was expedited by the AIU on her request, skipping the DT (PR).
3) She was re-instated to race at USATF after CAS confirmed her ban (fortunately only temporarily).
4) Although she kept training normally with BTC while provisionally banned, including at the altitude camp, those months counted towards the four year ban (in contrast to the rules!).
5) Even after her ban, she continued to get trained by Schumacher, and do easy and long runs with the team (possibly breaking the rules again).
At minimum, her ban should extended to start at the day of the CAS decision. IMHO the ban should start sometime this year when she really stopped training with BTC, whenever exactly that was.
I have no feelings either way on this sit. Almost all runners are doping. Don't kid yourself. Too many self righteous people posting here.
I don’t necessarily have any sympathy for her but her running career has been ruined.
LOL. What?
1) You have lots of sympathy for her, as you keep standing up for her.
2) She cheated to get an outstanding running career, which now got interrupted due to her carelessness.
Even among drug cheats, she is particularly annoying because of all the extra perks she got/demanded/took:
1) Her provisional ban was kept secret on her request (PR).
2) Her process was expedited by the AIU on her request, skipping the DT (PR).
3) She was re-instated to race at USATF after CAS confirmed her ban (fortunately only temporarily).
4) Although she kept training normally with BTC while provisionally banned, including at the altitude camp, those months counted towards the four year ban (in contrast to the rules!).
5) Even after her ban, she continued to get trained by Schumacher, and do easy and long runs with the team (possibly breaking the rules again).
At minimum, her ban should extended to start at the day of the CAS decision. IMHO the ban should start sometime this year when she really stopped training with BTC, whenever exactly that was.