lagat was a low mileage high intensity guy. perhaps this is the solution for prolonged careers.
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Hicham El Guerrouj - the greatest middle distance runner of the EPO-era!
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L'innoculateur wrote:
Berkane + El G. + Faouzi Lakjaa (the common denominator)
A lot of people ask what kind of revolution could happens in Morocco Athletics if the later take the commands management of this sport?Speaking of Berkane small native town of El G. (Faouzi Lakjaa was ex-president of the club).
They have done it the miracle:02 -
xyz12345 wrote:
Hicham El Guerrouj - the greatest middle distance runner of the EPO-era!
It's AW that speak not Coevett or Deanuk:
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L'innoculateur wrote:
Deanouk wrote:
Both Morceli and EL G set all those times during an era when there was an endurance drug that couldn't even be detected until late 2000, and even then the test the IOC chose to use was one where it only picked up EPO use for a couple of days before hand. An effective test was not produced until 2005, the year EL retired!
Pathetic. This will never end.
You can call it pathetic, but that's actually accurate. I mean it is what it is.
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You can call it pathetic, but that's actually accurate. I mean it is what it is.
Proof documents, accurate references please?
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philosopher69 wrote:
does the number of times a runner runs sub 3:30 actually matter? doesn't it ultimately come down to the pace that the race was decided to run in? i'm pretty sure El G could've ran sub 3:30 almost every time he ran the 1500m as long as he had good pacers.
Willingness to run for time, not just the win, is cited as necessary for GOATness whenever Mo Farah is brought up. So it is a major contributor but obviously not the only one
It is definitely interesting that El G never ran a single race after winning gold in 2004. So few choose to just go out at the top, and the connection to EPO testing at that time cannot be ignored. What other explanations have been given for El G's retirement?
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Hilarious how Ma's Army exploits are basically dismissed as pantomime, and yet there's still a fair number of track fans who idolize El G/Morcelli/Aouita.
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Funny no one has pointed out what all three of the "clean athletes" you mentioned all have in common... I wonder what your criteria for being "clean" is?
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the common denominator wrote:
Funny no one has pointed out what all three of the "clean athletes" you mentioned all have in common... I wonder what your criteria for being "clean" is?
Erm.. not being nationals of countries on the WADA at high risk of doping list? Not being nationals of countries whose performances declined as EPO testing was introduced? Not being nationals of countries near the top of global corruption indexes?
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It's interesting to think about El G retired at just 31 years of age. He could have had many more competitive years, perhaps at longer distances as his top-end speed waned.
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the common denominator wrote:
Funny no one has pointed out what all three of the "clean athletes" you mentioned all have in common... I wonder what your criteria for being "clean" is?
Coevett being Coevett.
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Not going to read this thread but I don’t get the point of it. No sh*t. He was the biggest doper of all time. His performances are literally impossible to naturally obtain. Not sure why people think he was clean
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Alexi Santana wrote:
It's interesting to think about El G retired at just 31 years of age. He could have had many more competitive years, perhaps at longer distances as his top-end speed waned.
It’s like he was doing and didn’t want to push his luck or something
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philosopher69 wrote:
i'm pretty sure El G could've ran sub 3:30 almost every time he ran the 1500m as long as he had good pacers.
"Have ran" is never correct. I will, however, give you partial credit for not saying "could of ran."
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briswiss wrote:
Not going to read this thread but I don’t get the point of it. No sh*t. He was the biggest doper of all time. His performances are literally impossible to naturally obtain. Not sure why people think he was clean
Good try.
History was written.
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We're still in the EPO era.nothings changed.Everyone takes drugs at that leval.
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big daddy wrote:
So few choose to just go out at the top, and the connection to EPO testing at that time cannot be ignored. What other explanations have been given for El G's retirement?
R. Ramzi an LRC celebrity was double champion in 2005.
Did he been caught for EPO?These theories are idiocrasies.
Link 1 (July 28, 2005)
Link 2 (Saïd Aouïta advises Hicham El-Guerrouj to stop) (Aug 11, 2005)
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In 2005, El Guerouj was quadruple World Champion 1500m + 1 vice-champion (1995)
Why do you ask him more?02 -
briswiss wrote:
Not going to read this thread but I don’t get the point of it. No sh*t. He was the biggest doper of all time. His performances are literally impossible to naturally obtain. Not sure why people think he was clean
Question for the posters who incessantly stick this sort of tiresome blather all over any thread they can; why in the f*** are you still following this sport? If you're just going to whine and moan about how every person who ever runs fast is just a cheater, and declare any historic performance "literally impossible to naturally obtain," then why are you even here? Go follow a sport that perfectly aligns with your personal notions of what is possible for a human body, notions which I'm sure are rooted in exhaustively detailed peer-reviewed research (and not some pseudo-scientific 'analysis' of cherry-picked data points from the extreme outliers). Have many top athletes been proven to have doped? Of course. Were some eras of sport more prone to widespread PED abuse due to availability, lack of testing, and corruption? Absolutely. However, circumstantial evidence and subjective judgement is not sufficient to prove guilt, and 'innocent until proven guilty' applies to all equally. For all you know, your precious Jakob is doped up to his eyeballs with some substance we just haven't yet developed a test for, or that isn't illicit now but will be when we learn more about it and start testing for it. Ultimately, if you refuse to believe that there's any chance an athlete could medal or put up a great mark without cheating, then there's really no reason for you to be a fan of a sport that's centered around the very limits of physical performance.
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