As usual, LR posters totally underestimate the athletic ability of the average fit person.
The average fit person CAN NOT run a 6:00 mile. 7:00 mile maybe, if they are actually running 4+ times a week....which most avg fit people cannot do without developing injuries.
Alan
That's a circular argument. You are defining an average, fit person as someone who runs multiple miles at 6.00 pace.
Go to a big 10k race, like the Boulder race. What % of competitors finish under 37:17? It's a very small %. Ok, isolate by age group and it's still very small. You are calling that very small %, "average". That's literally the opposite of the definition of average.
Go to the army 2-mile fitness test. The MAX 13:00 and the MIN is 15.54 for 17-21 year olds.
Furthermore, the cutoff for 4-mile runs the SEALS do in Buds is 32 minuets. Its gets lower, but it's never 24 minutes.
Sorry I mistyped. LRers OVERESTIMATE ability.
We are on the same page.
Also also, the Army pt test has changed. You don't even wanna know the minimum now. lol
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Nope, not for a runner. Remember, this is a training suggestion to train people for beginning BUD(s). How’s your swimming? Pullups? Push-ups? Sit-ups? To even be considered for DEVGRU (seal team 6- the top of the top), you’ll need to MINIMUM be able to do the 1.5 mile run on the track in 7:30, followed by at least 30 pull-ups done to failure (most do >40), max push-ups in 1 minute, max sit-ups in one minute, and then finish with a fast 500m swim. I don’t know the time on the swim. Mind you, this is done all in the same morning, moving from station to station. Running on the track is a luxury, as the majority of the runs are done on soft sand.
My brother had an Olympic swimmer drop from his class, and numerous collegiate athletes. It’s the grinders that make it through. People used to finishing at the top all the time don’t typically do well.
Ok, the pull ups and push ups are easy. I used to do 100 push ups every morning in a few minutes. I used to have a pull up bar on the door and did overhand and underhand pull ups without issue, so how is that difficult? 1.5 miles in 7:30... ok 5 flat pace I can do that but I doubt many of their recruits can so I'm calling bs on that. Maybe I'm naturally gifted at athletics but none of this is making me think they are amazing. It's the back office people that do the intel and break into computer systems or the scientists who design the rocket systems who are amazing.
Just got off the phone with my brother and actually mentioned this thread to him. An officer applicant to Devgru (team 6) must at least meet the following standards (all done in a row). This has apparently changed from previous standards over the last 2 years/ the run is faster and the push-ups/sit-ups are easier.
1.5 mi on track 7:30 120 push-ups in 2 minutes
120 sit-ups in 2 minutes
30 strict overhand pull-ups without letting go of the bar- no kicking or kipping”
As usual, LR posters totally underestimate the athletic ability of the average fit person.
The average fit person CAN NOT run a 6:00 mile. 7:00 mile maybe, if they are actually running 4+ times a week....which most avg fit people cannot do without developing injuries.
Alan
That's a circular argument. You are defining an average, fit person as someone who runs multiple miles at 6.00 pace.
Go to a big 10k race, like the Boulder race. What % of competitors finish under 37:17? It's a very small %. Ok, isolate by age group and it's still very small. You are calling that very small %, "average". That's literally the opposite of the definition of average.
Go to the army 2-mile fitness test. The MAX 13:00 and the MIN is 15.54 for 17-21 year olds.
Furthermore, the cutoff for 4-mile runs the SEALS do in Buds is 32 minuets. Its gets lower, but it's never 24 minutes.
Remember that the weekly timed 4 mile run is done in cammies and boots on the soft sand there in Coronado. Go give it a try. I think you’ll be significantly surprised. This is alternated each week with a 2 mile open water swim for time.
One poster not responding to me stated Se.A.L.s are too redundant. Said poster mentioned an Army special forces unit. That wouldn't work. Would the Army allow a specific number of their special forces personnel to be assigned to a Navy base or out to see with Navy? No. U.S. military got along just fine prior to circa 1962 when frogmen went on land, 1775 to 1962, USN relied on Marines for ground warfare. Se.A.L.s, just pure unnecessary hype. USN no longer gets into battleship on battleship fights, last one Sea of Japan, 1945. USN needed someone to brag about. If anyone on this thread is trying to differ with me and you're not a Marine, you are wrong. Marines who know their history know of Se.A.L. encroachment. Se.A.L.s have been stealing missions from Marines since circa 1962.
A poster responded to me stating I don't know special forces missions. Light infantry. Don't make special forces on the ground overly complicated.
Readers of this site, top Navy brass, Se.A.L.s who would be back to swabbing the deck and painting broad side of ships as boatswain's mates if I get my way, Se.A.L.s would be done. Not one mission going back to circa 1962 when Se.A.L.s were formed that USMC could not do.
A goofy poster talked about Se.A.L. training and stated Marines couldn't do it. Se.A.L.s chose to attend one of the easiest basic training programs. I don't want to read how tough they are. There are plenty of 1st class swimmers in USMC. I was one of them. Marines, as all of you will not know unless you are a Marine or Navy top brass, put together All-Star Platoons on moments notice. A pilot was shot down, Scott F. O'Grady during Yugoslav Conflict during W. Clinton Administration. Was Officer O'Grady rescued by Air Force Search & Rescue? Was Officer O'Grady rescued by any Army special forces? You know Air Force was spawned from U.S. Army. Did any Se.A.L.s rescue Officer O'Grady? No. An All-Star Platoon of Marines were quickly formed. Mission successful. Se.A.L.s have to have a dozen meetings. A mock city needs to be built for Se.A.L.s. Se.A.L.s need to rehearse twelve dozen times before they can get to breakfast in the morning.
Many of you think you are being patriotic U.S. citizens supporting Se.A.L.s. U.S.M.C. will never go away. The R.O.I. for USMC Infantry is Off the Chart. No one are braver than Marines. I was in a bar/restaurant in Billings Montana about 13 or 14 years ago. A commercial airline pilot who was also an Air Force F-16 pilot told me Marines are THE BRAVEST fighting men in US military. Combined Arms Operations mean Navy pilots sometime fly cover for Army Soldiers and Air Force pilots sometime fly cover for Marines. He told me ONLY MARINES don't wait for back up &/or air support. Se.A.L.s are unnecessary and are causing Marines to die unnecessarily by taking resources from USMC. If you gals & guys consider yourselves patriots, call your US Congressperson today and ask to do away with Se.A.L.s in order for USMC to get modern gear & weapons.
I know d1 regional caliber distance guys who can’t even maintain 55mpw without injury. I call BS
Remember that this is just one guy’s program that he’s encouraging prospective seal candidates to use prior to even starting pre-buds. At least, that’s how I took it.
TONS of injuries in the training process. Many guys get rolled to the next class for stress fractures and other overuse injuries. If you’re over 25/26, it’s going to be a beatdown on the body.
Really interesting thread. If you get the chance, take a look at “drown proofing” on YouTube. Looks awful. My brother said a lot of the candidates wash out during the pool comp phase. At some point, they have to swim 50m underwater holding their breath; but have to start the swim by jumping in, doing a front flip, then proceeding.
Ok, the pull ups and push ups are easy. I used to do 100 push ups every morning in a few minutes. I used to have a pull up bar on the door and did overhand and underhand pull ups without issue, so how is that difficult? 1.5 miles in 7:30... ok 5 flat pace I can do that but I doubt many of their recruits can so I'm calling bs on that. Maybe I'm naturally gifted at athletics but none of this is making me think they are amazing. It's the back office people that do the intel and break into computer systems or the scientists who design the rocket systems who are amazing.
Just got off the phone with my brother and actually mentioned this thread to him. An officer applicant to Devgru (team 6) must at least meet the following standards (all done in a row). This has apparently changed from previous standards over the last 2 years/ the run is faster and the push-ups/sit-ups are easier.
1.5 mi on track 7:30 120 push-ups in 2 minutes
120 sit-ups in 2 minutes
30 strict overhand pull-ups without letting go of the bar- no kicking or kipping”
500yd swim in pool 7:00
The swim is significantly easier to achieve than the run. 9 year old swimmers can easily achieve the swim. My son did a 500 at age 10 in a 5:35.
Heck, with a bit of training I could easily do that swim (I am 50F).
The run, even with a lot of training I would have no hope of achieving it.
Just got off the phone with my brother and actually mentioned this thread to him. An officer applicant to Devgru (team 6) must at least meet the following standards (all done in a row). This has apparently changed from previous standards over the last 2 years/ the run is faster and the push-ups/sit-ups are easier.
1.5 mi on track 7:30 120 push-ups in 2 minutes
120 sit-ups in 2 minutes
30 strict overhand pull-ups without letting go of the bar- no kicking or kipping”
500yd swim in pool 7:00
The swim is significantly easier to achieve than the run. 9 year old swimmers can easily achieve the swim. My son did a 500 at age 10 in a 5:35.
Heck, with a bit of training I could easily do that swim (I am 50F).
The run, even with a lot of training I would have no hope of achieving it.
I agree, but remember that it’s all done in a row. Do you think you could do that swim time at the end of a hard 6 laps on the track, 120 pull-ups, 120 sit-ups, and 30 pull-ups? I think that’s the real challenge.
In order to properly pull an IDF train at Ben Gurion and not disgrace themselves and America, US Navy Seals should do at least ten hours of Kegels/week.
