I would say this combined with his 2:16 1k and the fact he has historically been a better miler than 800m runner (in high school, at least) indicates he is due for a PR at 1500m.
I would say it is more of a sign he just didn't run many 800s last year. If he did I wouldn't be shocked if he was 146 high.
This and 1000 are good times. They aren breakthrough times.
I would say this combined with his 2:16 1k and the fact he has historically been a better miler than 800m runner (in high school, at least) indicates he is due for a PR at 1500m.
I would say it is more of a sign he just didn't run many 800s last year. If he did I wouldn't be shocked if he was 146 high.
This and 1000 are good times. They aren breakthrough times.
What would have been a breakthrough 1000m time for this U20 athlete?
I do think he CAN PR, he is pretty sharp, but his PR is pretty fast . And it has been a long year
Although he missed a month, so he may be just getting to peak level. He is 3 months older than Flatt and has run .4-.5 slower in his “off event” this is not an event he has run that often in good comp.
I would say he is moving along fine
Ron knows what he’s doing lol.And Kessler is really really talented.
Yes, correct. People really think every time a 1500/miler runs 1:46.8 they’re in line for 3:31-3:32? Jakob runs the 1:46 type times off 100mpw with 90%+ of that uptempo work at threshold and not intense. Nothing like what many 1500m guys do including the Warhurst system.
Agree with you both. 1:46.87 is “worth” ~3:39.25 (IAAF tables). Yes I know he’s a miler, but Jakob Ingebrigtsen is not a good comparison—you cannot say “Well Ingebrigtsen’s only run 1:46, so surely Hobbs is due for a big PR.”
To the person who posted that Nick Willis ran 1:46.18/2:16.58/3:30.35 within 12 weeks as evidence that Kessler’s ready for a big 1500 PR—when Willis was 21, he ran his 1:45.54 lifetime best and a 3:32.68 PB within the month of July. That little bit of data would more so suggest Kessler is in 3:34 shape.
Kessler’s 2:16.36 1k is “worth” 3:36.75 for 1500. Trending in the right direction as you’d expect. Kessler ran 3:36.99 for 1500 in Italy less than 4 weeks ago. My guess is he’s currently capable of 3:33.25-3:35.50, and if I were to go more specific, I’d say he could fractionally improve his 3:34.36 PR. All in all that’s a solid place to be toward the end of this initially rocky transitional year. He sets him up nicely to progress to the 3:30-3:32 people are talking about next season, if all goes well.
Hobbs probly has better raw speed than Jakob to be honest, but he's definitely nowhere near (and I doubt ever will be) the level of endurance that Jakob possesses. That said, Hobbs looks like he's perfectly built for the 1500m/mile. His clean smooth stride is a genetic gift, and given he ran 3:34 in lesser shape, I'd say 3:32 is in the near future.
Yes, correct. People really think every time a 1500/miler runs 1:46.8 they’re in line for 3:31-3:32? Jakob runs the 1:46 type times off 100mpw with 90%+ of that uptempo work at threshold and not intense. Nothing like what many 1500m guys do including the Warhurst system.
Agree with you both. 1:46.87 is “worth” ~3:39.25 (IAAF tables). Yes I know he’s a miler, but Jakob Ingebrigtsen is not a good comparison—you cannot say “Well Ingebrigtsen’s only run 1:46, so surely Hobbs is due for a big PR.”
To the person who posted that Nick Willis ran 1:46.18/2:16.58/3:30.35 within 12 weeks as evidence that Kessler’s ready for a big 1500 PR—when Willis was 21, he ran his 1:45.54 lifetime best and a 3:32.68 PB within the month of July. That little bit of data would more so suggest Kessler is in 3:34 shape.
Kessler’s 2:16.36 1k is “worth” 3:36.75 for 1500. Trending in the right direction as you’d expect. Kessler ran 3:36.99 for 1500 in Italy less than 4 weeks ago. My guess is he’s currently capable of 3:33.25-3:35.50, and if I were to go more specific, I’d say he could fractionally improve his 3:34.36 PR. All in all that’s a solid place to be toward the end of this initially rocky transitional year. He sets him up nicely to progress to the 3:30-3:32 people are talking about next season, if all goes well.
Said it at the beginning of the year… Kessler will run 3:33, if he gets in a fast race.
I would say it is more of a sign he just didn't run many 800s last year. If he did I wouldn't be shocked if he was 146 high.
This and 1000 are good times. They aren breakthrough times.
What would have been a breakthrough 1000m time for this U20 athlete?
Something around 2:15 would indicate he is in better shape than last year. We are talking about something to suggest he is now a 3:32 guy not a 334 like last year. Being stagnant for a year isn't the end of the world but the main reason we are excited by these 800m/1000m times is that he looked bad at outdoor nationals.
So Hobbs beat 2x1:43 and a 1:44 guy at Monaco, and was tenths off of Thompson, another 3:34 guy; he clearly is right back at his top level with more to come.
I think this shows that Hobbs is now capable of running near his 1500m PR in non-perfect-race conditions. What's more likely this year is another two 3:34-3:35 times (assuming he races enough) showing that he can consistently hit this level, then next year a PR of 3:31-3:32.
between this and the 1k result the other week, we can let the "hobbs kessler should move up to 5k" thing lay to rest right?
Most definitely. I remember a post on here a few months back and we were comparing the 200m speed of Hobbs to Willis. Willis commented that his own all time 200m best was 23.4s FAT (nothing too extraordinary) and was very similar to Hobbs after observing him in a lot of training sessions. Willis was a 3:29 guy. My feeling is Hobbs could potentially develop his basic speed a bit more and ultimately dip below (possibly well below) the 3:29 mark.
That's faster than El G's 800 PR! Hobbs is clearly in 3:26 1500 shape. Given modern shoe technology, he could even go 3:25 in a fast, rabbited race with Wavelight guiding him.
That's faster than El G's 800 PR! Hobbs is clearly in 3:26 1500 shape. Given modern shoe technology, he could even go 3:25 in a fast, rabbited race with Wavelight guiding him.
That's faster than El G's 800 PR! Hobbs is clearly in 3:26 1500 shape. Given modern shoe technology, he could even go 3:25 in a fast, rabbited race with Wavelight guiding him.
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