Gotta love Hobbs, but he's about to get spanked

I have been saying that. No disagreement from me. The 1000m lists and extrapolation around other runners who seldom ran it etc is where this goes overboard

I don’t wish to totally derail the thread, but maybe someone reading this thread could provide some specifics on the foams that Noah Lyles and Hobbs Kessler are racing in. Are they standard off-the-shelf formulations, or does Adidas provide either of them a ‘specially tweaked’ formulation?

Spanked? Well, life is solitary, nasty, and brutish, … and 1000m is short.

My bad: I’m kinda fixated on Hobbes.

well she could be Aleia Hobbs Kessler, which would be cool

Exactly the same foam that is in the Adios Pro series of shoes. There is no such thing as a “specially tweaked” foam dude.

Because your representation is to minimize it by acting like great guys have never run high level 1000's and they have. That is WHY the lists are relevant. Steve Holman who ran sub 1:45 and 3:31.x ran slower, so did Centrowitz, so did Webb, Johnny Gray, the great John Marshall a 1:43.x guy. Here is the updated All Time Lists, this is why they are kept. Lists are a huge look at perspective, for those that have one. This event has been run by almost every great in history at some point.Including John Walker. Again, it is like trivializing anyone's performance, if it was that easy someone else would have done it or been ahead on a list.

worldathletics.org

1000 Metres - men - senior - outdoor

Open link

worldathletics.org

1000 Metres - men - senior - outdoor

Open link

Life is but a motion of limbs.

I now refer to 1000m as a ‘than.

Nice run by Hobbs.

And Shane Streich ran 2:16.1. I don’t care about the lists. Let’s just agree to disagree on how much it matters where one stands in a race where most elites don’t put much stock. The raw performance was very good, if Jim Ryun ran faster or slower I don’t care.

I just want to say that this is a great thread. Good arguments on both sides. It was fun and informative to read.

And I'd be little Hobbs's godfather

When I was in high school, my favorite event was the 1000. My senior year, I had a PR of 2:30. This got me ranked inside the top 30 nationally. By rankings, I should’ve been a sub-4:15 guy, maybe even sub-4:10. However, I only ran 4:18, and that was OUTDOORS. And that was a great race! I consider it a very similar performance.

The point I’m trying to make is that it’s true that rankings don’t mean much for the 1000. For whatever reason, you get a lot of guys that are very quick over 800 and 1500, that underperform at the in-between distance. 2:16 is not worth 1:43 and 3:31. That is clear.

That said, the fact that he just shattered the US U20 record, and is 4th all-time in the world, DOES mean something. 2:16 may not be worth what other 2:16 guys ran on their best day, but it’s certainly one of, if not his best performance yet. It’s equivalent to roughly 1:44-1:45 and 3:33-3:34. We’ll have to see how it goes, but I would be unsurprised to see a 1500 PR in the coming weeks, perhaps working his way into the top 25 all-time for U20 (he’s currently 31).

More than anything, I am relieved to see a lot of the negative discourse surrounding him disappear. Anybody that’s ever run competitively could’ve expected him to have off races this year; it’s just the “sophomore slump”. Look at Athing for a similar story. Luckily Ron Warhurst is a lot more knowledgeable than any of you, and I expect we will see some huge times from Hobbs eventually. It starts here.

You lack credibility and/or intelligence. a foam formulation can be tweaked (changed) in several ways, and it is true that pros can get special mods to their shoes that are not incorporated into the mass public offerings.

Not much of an argument when it’s just one guy backpedaling vs several others who know what they are talking about!

Great performance from Kessler. Would love to see him in a 1500 because he looks to be in 3:33-3:34 shape.

Pretty sure you may get your wish on this....Also, As someone else alluded to, Ron has a really good handle on "what guys could run" fitness wise. It does not always happen, we all know that. I remember when Ron told me "well I am working with this kid, very talented"........Then, "I think he can run under 4:00" , I said "Ron, he has run no where near that, nothing close??" when he had nothing yet in his profile that showed that, he ran 3:57.x mile next outing, Ron was clearly right. He really does know what's what, when it comes to this stuff.

Are there fast 1500s coming up that he could get into? 3:32 or 3:33 would be awesome.

LOL his season was BAD?? Come on, that's just ridiculous to say at this point. He's like 19 years old at this point. What did you expect to happen? Sub 3:30? Lol

Also is Hobbs short for Hobbert?

See this is just where it's too far. He ran 3:34.3 at age 18. At age 19, he was having a tough season, not running a time/putting up a performance close to in line with that great run. Now he has or at least close, and everyone is rightfully happy about it and saying nice things.

Would I call the season up to yesterday bad? Maybe not as that's a bit harsh. It was OK, a step back but understandable in his first year as a pro. So, you can appreciate yesterday's run without going crazy with narratives. I thought he could run 3:33-3:34 this season and still think he could. It had been a bit below expectation that he had only done 3:36.63, didn't look good at USAs and the 800s were ugly, the finishes in the 1500 somewhat ugly too. It is not "ridiculous" to say this.

Not everything is linear, but do you think people would be absurd if Colin Salhman only ran 3:41 next year and people wonder what's up with him? Expecting an 18-year-old to not regress is not insane. There's a large difference between that and expecting a 3:30 from him. Most just expected a 3:33-3:35.xx.

Well, there are a couple of opportunities. for fast races..Lausanne on 8/26? Maybe another British Milers Club, I checked that web site, could not figure if there was one in between. You would figure Lausanne would be a wicked fast 15? Not sure who is in Lausanne yet? Or if he would be in at this point? I will advise as soon as I do know though.