Hobbs Kessler’s name is spelled correctly in the title.
Morgan Beadlescomb’s name is not spelled correctly. It is not even close to the correct spelling of his name to pass it off as a typo. One could argue it is made with malicious intent.
B-E-E-T-L-S-C-U-M is not appropriate. I reported the post.
Beetlescum and Knobbs Hesseler are racing a 3000m in Italy tomorrow. looks like a good field. Glad to see them taking chances against non Americans
king999 wrote:
I also think Letsrun allowing the name of a U.S. runner to be allowed to be spelled and referred to like that is loathsome.
Yet they’ll suspend you for much less.
Me? They have been pretty good to me over the years..lol. I do think that altho Kessler is listed in the 3K, he was going to go 800 here, I will update. Okay, I believe he will be in the 800 tomorrow.
Beetleboii wrote:
Beetlescum and Knobbs Hesseler are racing a 3000m in Italy tomorrow. looks like a good field. Glad to see them taking chances against non Americans
Not sure what this really means...the competitions they did in the US were generally higher quality than these Europeans ones so far.
As usual, you are questioning a plan that has worked better over time than any 1500M runner in the U.S. lately other than Centrowitz, (maybe Hocker as well, I would say Engels, but God knows what has happened there) . The idea was/is.
Do a Euro trip....Kessler has to do one of these sooner or later in his development. Race guys , even with some pacing, and get better tactically. Learn to get around on your own in a strange land.
I told people almost 6 months ago, that Kessler caught lightening in a bottle one day, and that he wasn't a 3:34 guy , he ran 3:34 one day, that's different and people mocked me and said "No, that's what he is" I said," No ,he is not he was much more like a 3:38/39 type last year, who caught the wagon train just right one time". Now he has run 4 of the top 5 U20 1500 times in the U.S. of ALL time and 5 of the top 11 run by a total of three other greats. He is going to be fine..trust me on this one thing...Beadlescomb is probably on fumes, but that 1500, even though his mile converts down much faster is a PR by a second. So, he is hanging in there.
You could argue all you want, all you want, and I respect the banter..but Ron knows exactly what he is doing,the travel may bog a 19 year old down a bit as a first timer..but the experience, of "getting around" in Europe , being in a way different situation cannot be coached..it has to be experienced.
oaclover420 wrote:
Why does this have so many down votes? Do people not want to see Americans racing on the European circuit & challenging up front? I don't get it.
king999 wrote:
As usual, you are questioning a plan that has worked better over time than any 1500M runner in the U.S. lately other than Centrowitz, (maybe Hocker as well, I would say Engels, but God knows what has happened there) . The idea was/is.
Do a Euro trip....Kessler has to do one of these sooner or later in his development. Race guys , even with some pacing, and get better tactically. Learn to get around on your own in a strange land.
I told people almost 6 months ago, that Kessler caught lightening in a bottle one day, and that he wasn't a 3:34 guy , he ran 3:34 one day, that's different and people mocked me and said "No, that's what he is" I said," No ,he is not he was much more like a 3:38/39 type last year, who caught the wagon train just right one time". Now he has run 4 of the top 5 U20 1500 times in the U.S. of ALL time and 5 of the top 11 run by a total of three other greats. He is going to be fine..trust me on this one thing...Beadlescomb is probably on fumes, but that 1500, even though his mile converts down much faster is a PR by a second. So, he is hanging in there.
You could argue all you want, all you want, and I respect the banter..but Ron knows exactly what he is doing,the travel may bog a 19 year old down a bit as a first timer..but the experience, of "getting around" in Europe , being in a way different situation cannot be coached..it has to be experienced.
I have no problem with Euro trip, which I think will be a great experience for Kessler and Beadlescomb. I'm also supportive of them both extending their seasons with neither hitting their goals at USAs. Kessler especially should keep racing. Beadlescomb should if he's feeling fresh at all.
I am merely taking issue with people who would insinuate that they have to go to Europe to get into 3:35-6 type races. There was one in Memphis. There'll be the Sir Walter Miler, road miles like 5th Avenue and so on. If the idea is to race more frequently (the domestic races on the track spread out after Worlds) and get some valuable learning experience, I'm all for it. Just noting that going against B or C-level Europeans is no different than going against B or C-level Americans. Also, it would've been cool to see Kessler in Cali, Colombia in a race of more significance. But I really can't say he's being mishandled at all.
Most of that is correct and I agree
i have to admit I knew nothing of the Cali race at all lol
until well after lol
king999 wrote:
Most of that is correct and I agree
i have to admit I knew nothing of the Cali race at all lol
until well after lol
They (USATF + World Athletics) certainly don't do a good job of promoting it or marketing it to USA teenagers. The U20 structure is also a bit tough with the fusion of high schoolers and college freshmen. That being said, it's very cool Willis and Whittaker are there. We should have Gary Martin, Kessler or Salhman there with Nathan Green but what can you do. Cade Flatt and Will Sumner as well. It would be hypocritical of me to call out Kessler in particular for not doing it as it's more of a surprise if a top 1500m prospect from the US * does * do World Juniors.
Gli americani si sono fatti degli amici.
and now Beadlescomb to VNTC
Sorry for my miscue on this, it was never in the plan to run that
sorry again
sdrunnra wrote:
I'm starting to think that perhaps Kessler is not a 1500m runner... perhaps a 5000m guy.
It seems that every great US high school and college 1500m/mile runner is better-suited for the 5,000m+
That's probably because you need to be a sub 1:46 800m runner to be a medal-winning 1500m runner in international meets. Also, aerobic ability improves as you age
Jakob's 800M PR is 1:46.44, but he covers the other side pretty well ,....LOL, guys tend to be either 80015 or 15/3K/5K, kind of stating the obvious.
Beadlescomb formally joins VNTC and signs a Pro Contract
It's generally cheaper for these guys to race in Europe than do the same standard meets in the US. Why race in Cali where you have to pay hotel and flights with no prize money when you can go to Italy and have all expenses covered, the chance to win prize money, and potentially receive appearance fees.