Doha 2019 has absolutely zero relevance. That's ancient history. Focus on the current rule book first and then the team manual where it supersedes the rule book.
Exactly, read it again
Oregen 2022 Team Manual
"9.2.2. Relay Teams Each Member Federation will be allowed to enter one qualified team in each relay event, subject to the below. A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event (100m and 400m). This does not apply to the Mixed 4x400m."
The only individual athlete Jamaica used on the heats was Kemba Nelson. And they must include the individual Athletes entered in the respective event. That means ETH, SAFP and Shericka Jackson.
That's why I'm mentioning the Team Manual from Doha: it wouldn't be a problem there, as they allowed up to 8 athletes in each relay event.
Now they allow up to 6 athletes in each relay event. And that's why it already is a problem and Jamaica should have been DQ already.
For them to use all of their athletes entered in the individual event, they must use 7 athletes, as they'll have to add ETH, SAFP and Shericka in the Final to comply with the rules.
The team manual states they must use only 6 athletes for each relay event. That's the problem.
Do you get it now? Do you understand how this info on the Team Manual supersedes the rule book?
You're probably trolling but anyway, bottom line is: Jamaica should be DQ.
Entering athletes in the relay pool allows those athletes to compete in the relay, even if they are not entered in another event. You must include IN YOUR ENTRIES in the relay pool all athletes who you have entered in the 100m (or 400m for the 4x400), plus however many more it takes beyond those to total six.
None of the people in the entered relay pool are required to run on a relay.
Any athlete who is entered in ANY event may be used on the 4x100 or 4x400.
Jamaica (or any country) can run any four women who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event in the first round, and switch out up to four who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event for the final.
Jamaica (or any country) can run any four women who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event in the first round, and switch out up to four who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event for the final.
No, they can't. Again, read this:
"A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event"
Out of 6 members of a relay team, at least one and max 4 must also be entered for respective individual event.
National federation can not keep alll individual competitors out of relay, team but can not use more than 4 of them. None of them have to actually run the race.
So, Jamaica is OK for the time being.
How many substitutions are allowed, if any? If at least one, all 3 Jamaican top girls can run in finals.
did you just make it up? I'm just presenting here what is written on the manual.
I did not make it up. It is what the rule you quoted actually means.
Relay pool must contain competitors from individual events, up to 4 of them. It means minimum one, up to maximum of four. It does not mean as you are interpreting "as much as possible, up to 4.". Nowher in the rule it is said that those from individuals are required to run the race. It is just that at least one of them must be included in relay pool.
did you just make it up? I'm just presenting here what is written on the manual.
I did not make it up. It is what the rule you quoted actually means.
Relay pool must contain competitors from individual events, up to 4 of them. It means minimum one, up to maximum of four. It does not mean as you are interpreting "as much as possible, up to 4.". Nowher in the rule it is said that those from individuals are required to run the race. It is just that at least one of them must be included in relay pool.
Possibly, because there is plural used ... athletes... they must include in pool at least 2 from individuals, but still, they are not required to run the race. Many they havePrice and Jackson in the pool.
After being around for how long, a prominent running website doesn't have an in with the USATF who could clear this up? Certainly there are several peeps at worlds that could answer this.
Who is LRCs best asset? PoleVault Power? Is she the best insider these guys have? Maybe she could get a hold of someone.
I did not make it up. It is what the rule you quoted actually means.
Relay pool must contain competitors from individual events, up to 4 of them. It means minimum one, up to maximum of four. It does not mean as you are interpreting "as much as possible, up to 4.". Nowher in the rule it is said that those from individuals are required to run the race. It is just that at least one of them must be included in relay pool.
Possibly, because there is plural used ... athletes... they must include in pool at least 2 from individuals, but still, they are not required to run the race. Many they havePrice and Jackson in the pool.
Yes, that would be a good way out/loophole. They did not say “all their competitors entered in the 100m”.
But clearly the intent was to have all competitors be entered on the list. The two extra ones would really be there to deal with things such as injuries… It makes sense. It avoids bigger/deeper countries to have totally rested athletes or just have a hyper specialized relay squad. It makes it fairer for smaller countries. Also bringing number from 8 to 6 brings less athletes to the competition (this is always a goal).
Otherwise they would have said “at least one of their competitors entered in the 100m”
did you just make it up? I'm just presenting here what is written on the manual.
I did not make it up. It is what the rule you quoted actually means.
Relay pool must contain competitors from individual events, up to 4 of them. It means minimum one, up to maximum of four. It does not mean as you are interpreting "as much as possible, up to 4.". Nowher in the rule it is said that those from individuals are required to run the race. It is just that at least one of them must be included in relay pool.
"A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event"
You have a limit of athletes to run the relay, between the heats and the Final. If ETH SAFH and Shericka compete today Jamaica will break this limit, as they'll use 7 athletes total.
In Doha 2019 you could use up to 8 athletes between the heats and the final, now only 6 (5 for the mixed relay).
If I had to bet, I'd say Jamaicans will run with SAFP and Shericka and pretend ETH is injured to avoid a DQ.
Jamaica (or any country) can run any four women who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event in the first round, and switch out up to four who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event for the final.
No, they can't. Again, read this:
"A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event"
Jamaica (or any country) can run any four women who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event in the first round, and switch out up to four who are either in the relay pool or entered in another event for the final.
No, they can't. Again, read this:
"A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event"
"Read it again Sam" is correct. The rule you keep referring to only applies to the "entries". Teams can run any 4 runners that are entered in the relay OR any other event in the meet. They don't have to stick to just runners listed for the relay. The rule just limits the number of athletes that can be brought that have not qualified for any individual events.
"A total of six Athletes may be entered and these must include the individual Athletes (up to four) entered in the respective individual event"
"Read it again Sam" is correct. The rule you keep referring to only applies to the "entries". Teams can run any 4 runners that are entered in the relay OR any other event in the meet. They don't have to stick to just runners listed for the relay. The rule just limits the number of athletes that can be brought that have not qualified for any individual events.
You're wrong.
Anyway, Jamaican press just announced ETH SAFP and Shericka are running the Final, breaking the 6 athletes limit.
"Read it again Sam" is correct. The rule you keep referring to only applies to the "entries". Teams can run any 4 runners that are entered in the relay OR any other event in the meet. They don't have to stick to just runners listed for the relay. The rule just limits the number of athletes that can be brought that have not qualified for any individual events.
You're wrong.
Anyway, Jamaican press just announced ETH SAFP and Shericka are running the Final, breaking the 6 athletes limit.
"Read it again Sam" is correct. The rule you keep referring to only applies to the "entries". Teams can run any 4 runners that are entered in the relay OR any other event in the meet. They don't have to stick to just runners listed for the relay. The rule just limits the number of athletes that can be brought that have not qualified for any individual events.
You're wrong.
Anyway, Jamaican press just announced ETH SAFP and Shericka are running the Final, breaking the 6 athletes limit.
WA is a joke.
Confirmed: you're a troll
You are disqualified from any further participation.
"Read it again Sam" is correct. The rule you keep referring to only applies to the "entries". Teams can run any 4 runners that are entered in the relay OR any other event in the meet. They don't have to stick to just runners listed for the relay. The rule just limits the number of athletes that can be brought that have not qualified for any individual events.
You're wrong.
Anyway, Jamaican press just announced ETH SAFP and Shericka are running the Final, breaking the 6 athletes limit.
WA is a joke.
No, he is correct.
Since you like quoting the rules, why don't you go ahead and quote the rule that states which athletes have to run on the relays. I am not talking about entries, but who is required to run on the relay. Thanks.