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3 years ago 07/09/2022 9:19pm EDT

re: Raincoat

I know a lot about pro cycling, follow it closely, and have friends in Europe who monitor all the teams and cyclists. Podgacar is a generational talent with high lactate threshold and has great comfort on the bike. He has both the speed for time trialing and climbing skills. He rarely goes into the red zone.

While it’s always possible he could be doping with some new technique, he’s tested everyday, and there are no real secrets in the peloton. He’s won the TdF twice with average teams. He shoes no weakness on the climbs, time trials, downhill, or anywhere else.

if he is dirty it will be quite a disappointment, as he seems to be more “natural” on the bike than any prior stars of the sport. At his age, he could win 7 Tours and still be less than than 30.

3 years ago 07/09/2022 9:47pm EDT

re: DC Doctor

DC Doctor wrote:
I know a lot about pro cycling, follow it closely, and have friends in Europe who monitor all the teams and cyclists. Podgacar is a generational talent with high lactate threshold and has great comfort on the bike. He has both the speed for time trialing and climbing skills. He rarely goes into the red zone.
While it’s always possible he could be doping with some new technique, he’s tested everyday, and there are no real secrets in the peloton. He’s won the TdF twice with average teams. He shoes no weakness on the climbs, time trials, downhill, or anywhere else.
if he is dirty it will be quite a disappointment, as he seems to be more “natural” on the bike than any prior stars of the sport. At his age, he could win 7 Tours and still be less than than 30.

If you "know a lot about pro cycling" you wouldn't talk like someone who started watching TdF a week ago. A propos the end of your post - "they" said the same about Ullrich and LA. Where are they now? Poggy is as dirty like LA. Look at M Gianetti, one of the dirtiest riders ever, now his coach. Why is he even allowed to be around TdF blows my mind. Nothing changed. Good luck.

3 years ago 07/09/2022 9:52pm EDT

re: DC Doctor

Said the same thing about Indurain and Ulrich. And Contador.

3 years ago 07/09/2022 11:15pm EDT

re: KOM my driveway

KOM my driveway wrote:
how does that work? wrote:
So do you believe that doping gives superhuman metabolism?
Go on think about it. Actually think instead of repeating what you heard or read somewhere.
Can you do that? Or am I expecting too much?
Mr orange, you don’t have to break the laws of thermodynamics to improve performance with drugs. You make such strange arguments.

It is a troll account. You might as well ignore it.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 12:27am EDT

re: pacoza

pacoza wrote:
He is unrealistically good, enough for raising suspicion. He took Maillot jaune yesterday after two hard stages and is hard to think he's gonna lose it.

There were dozens of riders more talented than Armstrong over the past 15 years. You can start with Cadel Evans, whose physiology was superior, according to testing.

That said, Pogacar is dodgy as...but when your team is run by Mauro Gianetti, what can you expect?

3 years ago 07/10/2022 12:58am EDT

re: how embarrassment

Doing it just like all distance records

broken in track over past few years

you really think going to keep something this good ,quiet for long

this dope originated from company in

Kentucky for other purposes but works by

Increasing mitochondrial function.

Like dope for sprinters ,

Makes the muscles contract harder

Cavendish was finished until something changed early 2021.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 2:47am EDT

re: KOM my driveway

KOM my driveway wrote:
how does that work? wrote:
So do you believe that doping gives superhuman metabolism?
Go on think about it. Actually think instead of repeating what you heard or read somewhere.
Can you do that? Or am I expecting too much?
Mr orange, you don’t have to break the laws of thermodynamics to improve performance with drugs. You make such strange arguments.

There is no Superhuman metabolism. It's a fantasy. No drug can deliver such a thing because it doesn't exist.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 2:50am EDT

re: Lance Armstrong is a scumbag

Lance Armstrong is a scumbag wrote:
adobe wrote:
The playing field is flat. Everyone is on drugs. Pogacar is a generational talent.
I actually didn't mind that Lance was on PEDs to the gills. I viewed it as "fair" because his rivals were as well.

I get so f*cking sick of hearing this argument. If you think about it for more than five seconds, the idea that it's "fair" unravels pretty quickly.

Even if the entire peloton were on drugs (which they weren't - see Christophe Bassons), then there is still an entire tier of riders below that - many of whom were incredibly talented, but quit the sport because they were pressured to take PEDs, or continued to race in the lower ranks - never achieving the success they deserve, because of rampant cheating.

Let's do a hypothetical. Imagine if tomorrow you found out that everyone in the world who is faster than you over 5000m was on PEDs. Would you find that fair? Theoretically, it's a level playing field for all of the people who are already competing on the world stage, so you shouldn't feel cheated, right?

3 years ago 07/10/2022 2:52am EDT

re: fkkfkfkfkf

fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
KOM my driveway wrote:
Mr orange, you don’t have to break the laws of thermodynamics to improve performance with drugs. You make such strange arguments.
It is a troll account. You might as well ignore it.

These threads are full of trolls hyping up the doping fantasy. That's the way brojos want it. Doping stories sell. That's so called journalism.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 6:25am EDT

A well-researched cycling channel on Youtube might provide some insight in to Cycling's doping heritage. The doped transformation of bloody useless domestiques with very poor career outlook in to the greatest cyclists of the era, provides much mirth. Britain's (Barloworld/Team Sky/Ineos) Geraint Thomas is an aging (track) rider who is one of the highest paid riders in the peloton and considered to be Pogacar's rival. Yet he was considered by the UCI to be very likely doping, based on his ABP. In fact, the UCI list placed him above Lance and 90% of other pros! Then lo and behold this sprint track rider wins the TdF; and years later is now challenging Pogacar..

3 years ago 07/10/2022 6:50am EDT

re: Ecords

Ecords wrote:
Am starting to realize most of these guys in the Tour are like D2-D3 runners with very few D1 talents out there. Yesterday was an epic stage, but in an all white sport in which we have no idea the true talent level of these people, the true studs are the Armstrongs and Pogacars of the Tour. Everyone else just a participant, much like a road marathon.
Yetserday was simply amazing drama but then you realize the dude is catching guys that have no idea how to race or manage their energies.

Didn’t realize a bunch of white guys on bikes made you blush.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 7:49am EDT

re: Cycling Stories

Cycling Stories wrote:
A well-researched cycling channel on Youtube might provide some insight in to Cycling's doping heritage. The doped transformation of bloody useless domestiques with very poor career outlook in to the greatest cyclists of the era, provides much mirth. Britain's (Barloworld/Team Sky/Ineos) Geraint Thomas is an aging (track) rider who is one of the highest paid riders in the peloton and considered to be Pogacar's rival. Yet he was considered by the UCI to be very likely doping, based on his ABP. In fact, the UCI list placed him above Lance and 90% of other pros! Then lo and behold this sprint track rider wins the TdF; and years later is now challenging Pogacar..

You don't follow the sport do you?

3 years ago 07/10/2022 8:23am EDT

re: Cycling Stories

Cycling Stories wrote:
A well-researched cycling channel on Youtube might provide some insight in to Cycling's doping heritage. The doped transformation of bloody useless domestiques with very poor career outlook in to the greatest cyclists of the era, provides much mirth. Britain's (Barloworld/Team Sky/Ineos) Geraint Thomas is an aging (track) rider who is one of the highest paid riders in the peloton and considered to be Pogacar's rival. Yet he was considered by the UCI to be very likely doping, based on his ABP. In fact, the UCI list placed him above Lance and 90% of other pros! Then lo and behold this sprint track rider wins the TdF; and years later is now challenging Pogacar..

Are you suggesting that Geraint Thomas was once a 'bloody useless domestique'?

3 years ago 07/10/2022 11:55am EDT

re: trollism

trollism wrote:
Cycling Stories wrote:
A well-researched cycling channel on Youtube might provide some insight in to Cycling's doping heritage. The doped transformation of bloody useless domestiques with very poor career outlook in to the greatest cyclists of the era, provides much mirth. Britain's (Barloworld/Team Sky/Ineos) Geraint Thomas is an aging (track) rider who is one of the highest paid riders in the peloton and considered to be Pogacar's rival. Yet he was considered by the UCI to be very likely doping, based on his ABP. In fact, the UCI list placed him above Lance and 90% of other pros! Then lo and behold this sprint track rider wins the TdF; and years later is now challenging Pogacar..
Are you suggesting that Geraint Thomas was once a 'bloody useless domestique'?

He was once Froome’s domestique. But not bloody useless in that role

3 years ago 07/10/2022 12:21pm EDT

re: Juvie

Juvie wrote:
trollism wrote:
Are you suggesting that Geraint Thomas was once a 'bloody useless domestique'?
He was once Froome’s domestique. But not bloody useless in that role

I am not surprised that a bicyclist would not be too good as a maid.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 12:41pm EDT

re: DC Doctor

DC Doctor wrote:
I know a lot about pro cycling, follow it closely, and have friends in Europe

I’m like, really smart, a very stable genius. Some of my best friends are black.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 1:23pm EDT

re: masterofdisaster

masterofdisaster wrote:
DC Doctor wrote:
I know a lot about pro cycling, follow it closely, and have friends in Europe who monitor all the teams and cyclists. Podgacar is a generational talent with high lactate threshold and has great comfort on the bike. He has both the speed for time trialing and climbing skills. He rarely goes into the red zone.
While it’s always possible he could be doping with some new technique, he’s tested everyday, and there are no real secrets in the peloton. He’s won the TdF twice with average teams. He shoes no weakness on the climbs, time trials, downhill, or anywhere else.
if he is dirty it will be quite a disappointment, as he seems to be more “natural” on the bike than any prior stars of the sport. At his age, he could win 7 Tours and still be less than than 30.
If you "know a lot about pro cycling" you wouldn't talk like someone who started watching TdF a week ago. A propos the end of your post - "they" said the same about Ullrich and LA. Where are they now? Poggy is as dirty like LA. Look at M Gianetti, one of the dirtiest riders ever, now his coach. Why is he even allowed to be around TdF blows my mind. Nothing changed. Good luck.

Ok bro - sure.

3 years ago 07/10/2022 1:25pm EDT

re: randomist

randomist wrote:
DC Doctor wrote:
I know a lot about pro cycling, follow it closely, and have friends in Europe
I’m like, really smart, a very stable genius. Some of my best friends are black.

Your bizarre post seems to accuse me of being both a liberal and also part of the Trump Death Cult. Which is it??

3 years ago 07/10/2022 2:08pm EDT

re: hautabombb

hautabombb wrote:
The greatest talent is wout, mvdp and pidcock. But if you only watch bike racing for a couple weeks a year during July then sure you might think it's pogacar.

One of those is very much unlike the other two...

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