All athletes running in the women's category get tested for their testosterone levels. If Moraa was male she would have been kicked out of the 800 already.
Kratochvilova-No more, no less doped up than current crop. Mu, Wilson Rogers, Moraa. But Moraa may also be male. Difference is talent. Krato just had lots more.
This appears to be a blatantly racist post and should be removed.
How can you possibly assume that Mu (perfect form, body type, and huge talent at a young age), Wilson (age group star also with exceptional form), Rodgers (not on the same tier as the other two), Moraa (verdict is still out) are doping, but not Hodgkinson (came out of nowhere in an Olympic year). Surely you have to have some sort of rationale, other than her being the only world class white 800m runner currently going?
And why shouldn't yours yours and the posts from the bunch of other racist clowns poking fun at kratochilova be removed for blatant racism? It all should be removed. I'm reporting yours and the posts from scvmbags with racist attacks against the record holder.
And why shouldn't yours yours and the posts from the bunch of other racist clowns poking fun at kratochilova be removed for blatant racism? It all should be removed. I'm reporting yours and the posts from scvmbags with racist attacks against the record holder.
Nothing racist was said about Kratochvilova. She just used lots of drugs. Nothing racist about that.
Kratochvilova-No more, no less doped up than current crop. Mu, Wilson Rogers, Moraa. But Moraa may also be male. Difference is talent. Krato just had lots more.
This appears to be a blatantly racist post and should be removed.
How can you possibly assume that Mu (perfect form, body type, and huge talent at a young age), Wilson (age group star also with exceptional form), Rodgers (not on the same tier as the other two), Moraa (verdict is still out) are doping, but not Hodgkinson (came out of nowhere in an Olympic year). Surely you have to have some sort of rationale, other than her being the only world class white 800m runner currently going?
Athing Mu was a huge talent at a young age but Keely came out of nowhere ?
Let’s check :
(both born in 2002)
Mu/Hodgkinson :
2016 2:16/2:10
2017 2:07/2:06
2018 2:04/2:04
2019 2:01/2:03
2020(covid) 2:04ind/2:01ind
2021 1:55/1:55
2022 1:57/1:57
They may have the most similar progression I have ever seen in this sport, Mu has the edge but I clearly don’t understand why americans act like Mu is from another world and like she was so much better when they were young.
It is going to be an epic final in the Womans 800M, it could possibly take a 1:54-1:55 to win and Moraa has to concern Mu just a bit at this point. Ajee Wilson also with a 1:55 PR could be in the mix as well...
And why shouldn't yours yours and the posts from the bunch of other racist clowns poking fun at kratochilova be removed for blatant racism? It all should be removed. I'm reporting yours and the posts from scvmbags with racist attacks against the record holder.
Nothing racist was said about Kratochvilova. She just used lots of drugs. Nothing racist about that.
Nothing racist was said by the other guy either yet the poster was attacked for racism. Just so stupid. And yes, they all use a lot of drugs if you're going to go there
Just going to put it out there. There seemed to be no stronger shoe in for a gold medal in Eugene than Keely and she was clearly beaten today by a better runner.
Mary Moraa ended Keely Hodgkinson's undefeated run and pulled off a sizeable upset to win the 800m at Stockholm's Diamond League meet#NBCSports #KeelyHodgkin...
Nothing racist was said about Kratochvilova. She just used lots of drugs. Nothing racist about that.
Nothing racist was said by the other guy either yet the poster was attacked for racism. Just so stupid. And yes, they all use a lot of drugs if you're going to go there
Except the original poster stated that all of the listed runners (black) were doping and that the white runners Kratochvilova (one of the most blatant drug users in the history of the sport) and Hodgkinson (never showed the ability of Mu as a teenager at 400/600) are clean and more “talented”.
Sure, it might seem like too great a gap between Mu and Wilson given how close the U.S. final was, but that was a great race for Wilson and a lukewarm one for Mu. Similarly, while Wilson ran better at USAs than Hodgkinson in Stockholm, that’s just one race apiece and I think we’d all take Hodgkinson based on their last 12 months’ bodies of work.
You can write Hodgkinson for whatever place you choose on this DB. She’s shown no suggestion of being able to challenge Mu. A Wilson has a 1:55 to her credit and may be ready to do that again, Rogers has a 1:56 and everyone seems to agree that she’s always dangerous, and Moraa is a talented yet unknown quantity. All 4 of these could handle Keely in July.
You can write Hodgkinson for whatever place you choose on this DB. She’s shown no suggestion of being able to challenge Mu. A Wilson has a 1:55 to her credit and may be ready to do that again, Rogers has a 1:56 and everyone seems to agree that she’s always dangerous, and Moraa is a talented yet unknown quantity. All 4 of these could handle Keely in July.
I’d say Hodgkinson is much more likely to run another 1:55 than Wilson. Wilson’s broken 1:57 4 times in her career, all in 2017-2018, and never in a race that Caster Semenya didn’t win. Hodgkinson of course ran 1:55.x less than a year ago, ran just as fast indoors this year as Wilson just did at USAs, beat Wilson head to head in their one meeting so far this year, and is only 20 years old.
Sure, it might seem like too great a gap between Mu and Wilson given how close the U.S. final was, but that was a great race for Wilson and a lukewarm one for Mu. Similarly, while Wilson ran better at USAs than Hodgkinson in Stockholm, that’s just one race apiece and I think we’d all take Hodgkinson based on their last 12 months’ bodies of work.
Except Wilson ran 1:57 after two rounds and Hodgkinson ran hers fresh. Advantage: Wilson. That said, I don't think all the medal favorites will make the final considering the 3+ or even 2+ spots in the rounds.
This appears to be a blatantly racist post and should be removed.
How can you possibly assume that Mu (perfect form, body type, and huge talent at a young age), Wilson (age group star also with exceptional form), Rodgers (not on the same tier as the other two), Moraa (verdict is still out) are doping, but not Hodgkinson (came out of nowhere in an Olympic year). Surely you have to have some sort of rationale, other than her being the only world class white 800m runner currently going?
Athing Mu was a huge talent at a young age but Keely came out of nowhere ?
Let’s check :
(both born in 2002)
Mu/Hodgkinson :
2016 2:16/2:10
2017 2:07/2:06
2018 2:04/2:04
2019 2:01/2:03
2020(covid) 2:04ind/2:01ind
2021 1:55/1:55
2022 1:57/1:57
They may have the most similar progression I have ever seen in this sport, Mu has the edge but I clearly don’t understand why americans act like Mu is from another world and like she was so much better when they were young.
It's just ignorance of athletes from other countries. In Europe, we don't give too much attention to school age athletes, especially in track and field. There's no LRC style message board for European school kids, and no one keeps track of secondary school records. It's all about the pro level (see Jakob's comments when asked about US high schoolers running well). See how much attention Cade Flatt gets for running 1:46 compared to Max Burgin who was running 1:44 at the same age.
Keely will now go to the World Champs with nobody expecting her to win and lots of people thinking she may not even get a medal. Well, that's a lot of pressure off her shoulders. Indeed, it's a similar situation to last year's Olympic Games.
Athing Mu was a huge talent at a young age but Keely came out of nowhere ?
Let’s check :
(both born in 2002)
Mu/Hodgkinson :
2016 2:16/2:10
2017 2:07/2:06
2018 2:04/2:04
2019 2:01/2:03
2020(covid) 2:04ind/2:01ind
2021 1:55/1:55
2022 1:57/1:57
They may have the most similar progression I have ever seen in this sport, Mu has the edge but I clearly don’t understand why americans act like Mu is from another world and like she was so much better when they were young.
It's just ignorance of athletes from other countries. In Europe, we don't give too much attention to school age athletes, especially in track and field. There's no LRC style message board for European school kids, and no one keeps track of secondary school records. It's all about the pro level (see Jakob's comments when asked about US high schoolers running well). See how much attention Cade Flatt gets for running 1:46 compared to Max Burgin who was running 1:44 at the same age.
Although Hodgkinson's times are all there on the internet for anyone to research before they make a claim that this consistently talented young athlete supported by British Athletics for many years and coached by Jenny Meadows and her husband "came out of nowhere".
Agree that perving over school age athletes is considered somewhat creepy outside the US.
Its also not a battle between skin colour. Its a battle between athletes.