U.S. high school and college cross country caters to 3000mSC to 10000m athletes. You do not like the U.S. Army program for developing 3000mSC to 10000m runners. When was the last time a male born in U.S. who participated in U.S. high school and college system won an Olympic 3000mSC/5000m/10000m medal? You make it seem as if U.S. does not need U.S. Army program to develop male Olympic medalists at 3000m/5000m/10000m.
Rupp 2012, 10000m.
Evan Jager 2016, 3000m SC
Alan
So two out of how many, and how large resources? Not the best success rate.
Since the poster to whom I responded was on a bit of an anti-Kenyan rant, we need to look at U.S. medalists, 3000mSC, 5000m & 10000m since 1968. Kenyans were too busy before 1968, Mau Mau Revolt to worry about Olympic medals.
Four medals, 3000mSC to 10000m from 1968 through 2021 is why U.S. Army stepped in. Can D.o.D. step and produce javelin throwers? Javelin throwers tend to be average to only slightly above average in size. Current Olympic javelin champ is (185 to 190)lbs., about 5'11". About the size of most men you see daily on your military base. Over 90% of elite (sub-1:43.5) 800m men have a 400m personal best in 45.0 to 47.5 range. U.S. has the best 400m runners in the world, going back to 19th Century. I am sure U.S. also has the most sub-48 400m men, requirement to be a good to great 800m man. Can U.S. Army fix 800m? USAT&F seems incapable of fixing 800m on their own.
cheatlimo once blocked out a women runner with his tokyo drift behavior because his workout was important, cut her off on a turn and never looked back. MVP park....
I am definitely a Chelimo fan. It's pretty significant that he's the only other distance man (Kipchoge) to medal in both Rio and Tokyo. On the sprint side there were also Andre De Grasse and Kirani James
I am definitely a Chelimo fan. It's pretty significant that he's the only other distance man (Kipchoge) to medal in both Rio and Tokyo. On the sprint side there were also Andre De Grasse and Kirani James
As far as I can tell, he is one of only 9 men in history to medal in the 5,000m at 3 separate global outdoor finals.
Bekele, Farah, Gebriwhet, Lagat, Kipchoge, Fita Bayisa, Khalid Boulami, Paavo Nurmi, Paul Chelimo.
Since the poster to whom I responded was on a bit of an anti-Kenyan rant, we need to look at U.S. medalists, 3000mSC, 5000m & 10000m since 1968. Kenyans were too busy before 1968, Mau Mau Revolt to worry about Olympic medals.
Four medals, 3000mSC to 10000m from 1968 through 2021 is why U.S. Army stepped in. Can D.o.D. step and produce javelin throwers? Javelin throwers tend to be average to only slightly above average in size. Current Olympic javelin champ is (185 to 190)lbs., about 5'11". About the size of most men you see daily on your military base. Over 90% of elite (sub-1:43.5) 800m men have a 400m personal best in 45.0 to 47.5 range. U.S. has the best 400m runners in the world, going back to 19th Century. I am sure U.S. also has the most sub-48 400m men, requirement to be a good to great 800m man. Can U.S. Army fix 800m? USAT&F seems incapable of fixing 800m on their own.
It includes a lote more than track and field, which isn't even close to its most competitive sport.
I do not know what started the influx of Kenyan-Americans to the program, but like with collegiate programs once the pipeline is established it keeps funneling talent. The entry standards are achievalbe for our top distance talent:
Nearly eight million students currently participate in high school athletics in the United States. More than 480,000 compete as NCAA athletes, and just a select
I like when posters like you confidently make assertions of which you know NOTHING about.
Running is a niche sport in the US. It’s 2 out of a relatively small talent pool, only 30,000 at the NCAA level, and that includes a huge fraction of international collegiate athletes.
In the US, football is king, then basketball, then waaaayyyy down the line track and field. There is nothing USATF can do to combat this, contact team sports are part of American violence culture.
But to act like the US has had paltry success based on population is a fallacy at best, bias at worst. It could be argued that the US has actually had disproportionate success compared to all other nations, BECAUSE of the resources you mentioned, when looking at the amount of competitors and the amount of medals at the sprint, middle distance, and YES distance events.
Since the poster to whom I responded was on a bit of an anti-Kenyan rant, we need to look at U.S. medalists, 3000mSC, 5000m & 10000m since 1968. Kenyans were too busy before 1968, Mau Mau Revolt to worry about Olympic medals.
Four medals, 3000mSC to 10000m from 1968 through 2021 is why U.S. Army stepped in. Can D.o.D. step and produce javelin throwers? Javelin throwers tend to be average to only slightly above average in size. Current Olympic javelin champ is (185 to 190)lbs., about 5'11". About the size of most men you see daily on your military base. Over 90% of elite (sub-1:43.5) 800m men have a 400m personal best in 45.0 to 47.5 range. U.S. has the best 400m runners in the world, going back to 19th Century. I am sure U.S. also has the most sub-48 400m men, requirement to be a good to great 800m man. Can U.S. Army fix 800m? USAT&F seems incapable of fixing 800m on their own.
Yes, the country with the:
1) reigning men’s 800m world champion, who set the championship record in his victory
Since the poster to whom I responded was on a bit of an anti-Kenyan rant, we need to look at U.S. medalists, 3000mSC, 5000m & 10000m since 1968. Kenyans were too busy before 1968, Mau Mau Revolt to worry about Olympic medals.
Four medals, 3000mSC to 10000m from 1968 through 2021 is why U.S. Army stepped in. Can D.o.D. step and produce javelin throwers? Javelin throwers tend to be average to only slightly above average in size. Current Olympic javelin champ is (185 to 190)lbs., about 5'11". About the size of most men you see daily on your military base. Over 90% of elite (sub-1:43.5) 800m men have a 400m personal best in 45.0 to 47.5 range. U.S. has the best 400m runners in the world, going back to 19th Century. I am sure U.S. also has the most sub-48 400m men, requirement to be a good to great 800m man. Can U.S. Army fix 800m? USAT&F seems incapable of fixing 800m on their own.
Yes, the country with the:
1) reigning men’s 800m world champion, who set the championship record in his victory
2) reigning women’s Olympic 800m champion
is struggling to produce 800m quality…..
Get your head out of the sand. Consensus physiologist opinion is 400m is more predictive of 800m success than 1500m. U.S. under performs at 800m. The fall off from 400m success to 800m success cannot be explained by any other factor than U.S. chasing 3000mSC to 10000m medals at the expense of 800m.
1) reigning men’s 800m world champion, who set the championship record in his victory
2) reigning women’s Olympic 800m champion
is struggling to produce 800m quality…..
Get your head out of the sand. Consensus physiologist opinion is 400m is more predictive of 800m success than 1500m. U.S. under performs at 800m. The fall off from 400m success to 800m success cannot be explained by any other factor than U.S. chasing 3000mSC to 10000m medals at the expense of 800m.
Again, explain how having the reigning Olympic champion and reigning world champion equals underperforming???
The rest of the the world has caught the US in the 400. And yet the US is one of the top 2 countries in the world at the 800 over the last decade (Kenya).
U.S. high school and college cross country caters to 3000mSC to 10000m athletes. You do not like the U.S. Army program for developing 3000mSC to 10000m runners. When was the last time a male born in U.S. who participated in U.S. high school and college system won an Olympic 3000mSC/5000m/10000m medal? You make it seem as if U.S. does not need U.S. Army program to develop male Olympic medalists at 3000m/5000m/10000m.
