Grapevine would beaten Newbury Park without the Sahlmans and the Youngs had Brian Guevara been healthy all season, but 4th at nationals is still really good.
You can’t take two families out and say they wouldn’t be good unless you took the top two families off every team.
Stupid argument from stupid people. You’re complaining and crying about a coach and he’s getting the job done and you’re complaining on Letsrun.
let’s guess who is more successful…….
You’re measuring someone’s success in life based on how fast teenagers run?
We’re talking about a guy in his 40’s that’s bopped around from crappy low level job to crappy low level job, almost getting canned from a running shoe store before becoming a part time teacher making less than $50k. I’d hardly call that crushing life. We should all be jealous.
Grapevine would beaten Newbury Park without the Sahlmans and the Youngs had Brian Guevara been healthy all season, but 4th at nationals is still really good.
Grapevine would beaten Newbury Park without the Sahlmans and the Youngs had Brian Guevara been healthy all season, but 4th at nationals is still really good.
You can’t take two families out and say they wouldn’t be good unless you took the top two families off every team.
Stupid argument from stupid people. You’re complaining and crying about a coach and he’s getting the job done and you’re complaining on Letsrun.
let’s guess who is more successful…….
That he won a massive talent lottery doesn’t make him any better or worse as a coach. Walt Lange coached the Mastalirs, Stember and Strangio and there were other years where his fastest runner ran 9:20, but he’s always been a great coach.
I ran 4:07. I was good, but didn't train the way they do now nor did I have the equipment that they have.
What equipment are you referring to? Besides treadmills, I’ve never heard of running equipment. Running 65 mpw was an option available to you and Brosnan didn’t invent intervals and tempo runs.
Yeah anyone could run 65mpw year round and do tempo runs. But there used to be fewer coaches who had any idea of what they were doing and without social media it would be very unlikely for a 15 year old to figure it out themselves.
My sophomore year I ran 9:40 3200m (sit and kick for easy win), 1:54 800m and 4:25 1600m. My coach was never a runner and her first year coaching coincided with my freshman year, so I started my career same time she first got involved in running. And we didn’t cut anyone so she was really a babysitter for 50 joggers; I sympathize with that. But she had no idea what she was doing. I didn’t train in the off-season, only did her awful in-season training. I ended up focusing on the 400 to help with 4x400 and only ever got down to 4:21, 1:53 and 48.
if I were in HS now there’s a decent chance I supplement mileage in-season and also figure out I should be training year round, thanks to the internet and social media helping me inform myself. There’s also an increased chance my coach isn’t so useless (like would at least be able to recognize talent and find someone to help me develop if she couldn’t). With where I was as a sophomore with such light training, sub 4:10 as jr/sr would have been a layup by simply running 40mpw year round and a very basic sensible progression of mile workouts.
I think a TON of talented kids get “left behind” and wasted by ignorance or bad advice. as that reduces, more and more kids are reaching their potential
So yes any kid can build to 60mpw and run tempos but in the 00’s or earlier that was a lot less obvious to a random child with zero exposure to what real training is. Of course some kids did it, not saying it was impossible or didn’t happen, but it’d be very rare
What did you run in college? 9:40 as a sophomore combined with 48 400 speed makes me think you could've improved to become a sub 4 guy after putting in some mileage.
What equipment are you referring to? Besides treadmills, I’ve never heard of running equipment. Running 65 mpw was an option available to you and Brosnan didn’t invent intervals and tempo runs.
Yeah anyone could run 65mpw year round and do tempo runs. But there used to be fewer coaches who had any idea of what they were doing and without social media it would be very unlikely for a 15 year old to figure it out themselves.
My sophomore year I ran 9:40 3200m (sit and kick for easy win), 1:54 800m and 4:25 1600m. My coach was never a runner and her first year coaching coincided with my freshman year, so I started my career same time she first got involved in running. And we didn’t cut anyone so she was really a babysitter for 50 joggers; I sympathize with that. But she had no idea what she was doing. I didn’t train in the off-season, only did her awful in-season training. I ended up focusing on the 400 to help with 4x400 and only ever got down to 4:21, 1:53 and 48.
if I were in HS now there’s a decent chance I supplement mileage in-season and also figure out I should be training year round, thanks to the internet and social media helping me inform myself. There’s also an increased chance my coach isn’t so useless (like would at least be able to recognize talent and find someone to help me develop if she couldn’t). With where I was as a sophomore with such light training, sub 4:10 as jr/sr would have been a layup by simply running 40mpw year round and a very basic sensible progression of mile workouts.
I think a TON of talented kids get “left behind” and wasted by ignorance or bad advice. as that reduces, more and more kids are reaching their potential
So yes any kid can build to 60mpw and run tempos but in the 00’s or earlier that was a lot less obvious to a random child with zero exposure to what real training is. Of course some kids did it, not saying it was impossible or didn’t happen, but it’d be very rare
I ran before the internet, but there articles in T&FN and RW about elite HS, college and open runners that all ran 80+ mpw so that’s what I did and given that what I ran during weekday mornings and weekends was up to me, it didn’t matter what the coach wanted me to do. If, on a over distance day, the coach told me to run 3 miles, I still would have run 6-8. I also was friendly with good runners from other schools and learned they also ran similar mileage to me.
Kids in "major sports" are less likely to drop their sports for "minor" ones like track & XC. I see kids all the time who are good, but not outstanding, basketball players, football players, etc., who might be better in track or XC but stay in their sport, whether because they want to be part of the "in crowd," or they believe that they can get that scholarship.
When I was in high school there was a basketball player who was decent but nowhere near good enough for any college interest. But the track coach took notice of his wiry frame and thought he could do something in track. He came out and after three weeks ran 2:02 for the 800, but soon lost interest and left the team. There are many kids like this but good luck in prying them away from their favored sport.
There are kids like that in every sport. There was some guys in the Babe Ruth baseball league that I played in that had tremendous talent, but in HS, they decided to get a part-time job instead of playing baseball or any other sport.
I don’t believe you’re really seeing players on the football field that have distance running talent. If you squint, you’ll notice they are big, muscular people. If a skinny distance runner was in a game, he would be likely to receive a season ending injury during the opening series.
You can't be that dumb. They are muscular because they starting training for football at a young age. Ryan Hall wasn't always muscular, but once he started lifted he got massive.
Track loses a lot of athletes to other sports like soccer, baseball, basketball, now even ninja warrior.
There are kids like that in every sport. There was some guys in the Babe Ruth baseball league that I played in that had tremendous talent, but in HS, they decided to get a part-time job instead of playing baseball or any other sport.
I don’t believe you’re really seeing players on the football field that have distance running talent. If you squint, you’ll notice they are big, muscular people. If a skinny distance runner was in a game, he would be likely to receive a season ending injury during the opening series.
You can't be that dumb. They are muscular because they starting training for football at a young age. Ryan Hall wasn't always muscular, but once he started lifted he got massive.
Track loses a lot of athletes to other sports like soccer, baseball, basketball, now even ninja warrior.
So much depends on the kid and the program regarding when, and how much, they lift. There are still plenty of high school football players who are not bulked up yet. If they have T&F potential it's more likely to be in the sprints or possibly the 800. The bigger guys on the lines would be potential throwers. Many people don't know that Terry Bradshaw was an outstanding javelin thrower in high school. Beyond that it's less likely for a football player to be a longer distance runner. Of all the other sports soccer is the one most likely to have a potential middle distance or distance runner. I'm glad Abdihamid Nur was convinced to try XC while he was still focused on soccer.
There are kids like that in every sport. There was some guys in the Babe Ruth baseball league that I played in that had tremendous talent, but in HS, they decided to get a part-time job instead of playing baseball or any other sport.
I don’t believe you’re really seeing players on the football field that have distance running talent. If you squint, you’ll notice they are big, muscular people. If a skinny distance runner was in a game, he would be likely to receive a season ending injury during the opening series.
You can't be that dumb. They are muscular because they starting training for football at a young age. Ryan Hall wasn't always muscular, but once he started lifted he got massive.
Track loses a lot of athletes to other sports like soccer, baseball, basketball, now even ninja warrior.
Please quit with the insults. People do have different body types and skinny teenage distance runners could ingest massive amounts of protein, lift copious amount of weights and still put on only about 5 pounds. You make it sound like a kid can pick any sport he wants and change his body accordingly. I guess the Young twins could increase their height to play basketball.
Distance running isn’t the repulsive sport you think it is and there are others that lose athletes to XC/Track. Distance running is actually a blast if you have talent like NP kids have. My HS didn’t have a ninja team but it does sound fun.
Name one kid on NP in the six years he has coached that Brosnan has been able to turn into a sub 9:30 or sub 4:30 that wasn’t a youth stud. Name one that he picked out of another sport or found roaming the campus that didn’t have legit youth credentials.
Jace Aschbrenner he was not a stud and ran 8:44 in HS.
4:30? you're blind that list is to crazy to list
what hs coach wouldn't be stoked on an incoming freshman that ran 5:18/10:57 for 1600/3200 as an 8th grader?
Jace Aschbrenner he was not a stud and ran 8:44 in HS.
4:30? you're blind that list is to crazy to list
what hs coach wouldn't be stoked on an incoming freshman that ran 5:18/10:57 for 1600/3200 as an 8th grader?
that is absolutely a stud.
I just looked a little deeper and I don’t think there is a single kid that has broken 10:00 for 3200 since Brosnan has coached that wasn’t a youth track runner.
Can someone explain this phrase that suddenly appears everywhere in this thread as if it’s a disqualifier for accomplishing something? What is a “youth track runner?” Just a kid who ran middle school track? I was 4:59/10:37 as a freshman after doing two years of middle school track. I never sniffed 8:44 for 3200 in HS and I had above average coaching.
Can someone explain this phrase that suddenly appears everywhere in this thread as if it’s a disqualifier for accomplishing something? What is a “youth track runner?” Just a kid who ran middle school track? I was 4:59/10:37 as a freshman after doing two years of middle school track. I never sniffed 8:44 for 3200 in HS and I had above average coaching.
No. People are saying Brosnan is a good coach with a good talent pool. It’s not to disqualify accomplishments. It’s to point out that the OP is wrong to say Brosnan changed the game somehow by coining a phrase that started a revolution of mindsets. He’s a good coach who got good talent. Period. Which is great and shouldn’t be diminished. But no one should be claiming the guys is some revolutionary thought leader here. He may not even be a revolutionary coach at all. But he’s a good (maybe even great) one who gets results.
Can someone explain this phrase that suddenly appears everywhere in this thread as if it’s a disqualifier for accomplishing something? What is a “youth track runner?” Just a kid who ran middle school track? I was 4:59/10:37 as a freshman after doing two years of middle school track. I never sniffed 8:44 for 3200 in HS and I had above average coaching.
No. People are saying Brosnan is a good coach with a good talent pool. It’s not to disqualify accomplishments. It’s to point out that the OP is wrong to say Brosnan changed the game somehow by coining a phrase that started a revolution of mindsets. He’s a good coach who got good talent. Period. Which is great and shouldn’t be diminished. But no one should be claiming the guys is some revolutionary thought leader here. He may not even be a revolutionary coach at all. But he’s a good (maybe even great) one who gets results.
Exactly! He’s done a nice job with an extremely talented group of kids. He isn’t a miracle worker that has made something from nothing. He was dealt a great hand and took advantage of it and progressed them nicely. He’s not getting more kids out for the team (it’s a small team) and he’s not finding hidden gems on campus. He’s taking experienced, quality youth runners and getting them to the next level through solid training and a competitive culture, not because some catch phrase that has revolutionized high school running.
The average height and weight in theNFL is 6'2" and 245. Hall is 5'10" and 175 and he has legs smaller than the arms of a kicker in the league. He would break a leg the first time he got hit. Sahlman looks to be 5'9" and 130. No amount of lifting will increase his bone mass or his height.
Exactly! He’s done a nice job with an extremely talented group of kids. He isn’t a miracle worker that has made something from nothing. He was dealt a great hand and took advantage of it and progressed them nicely. He’s not getting more kids out for the team (it’s a small team) and he’s not finding hidden gems on campus. He’s taking experienced, quality youth runners and getting them to the next level through solid training and a competitive culture, not because some catch phrase that has revolutionized high school running.
I’m in perfect agreement that he’s not solely to laud for the spree of fast HS times, but what I edited as bold above is a GROSSLY underrated talent for a coach to have, which I suspect is at least a part of OP’s sentiment. And while Brosnan can’t obviously claim too much credit, I think the existence of a team like NP is easy to undervalue in terms of setting the bar on a national level.
Brosnan deserves lots of credit. I don’t know the man. However, he is not getting lucky. he is doing something right. I don’t know how anyone could argue that he is simply amazing.
These kids were not phenoms in age group. Look them up on athletic.net.
The two families ran 4:48-5:00 and 2:11-2:15. On the 8th grade level…..they were ok. Now that Brosnan has arrived, they are all great.
I just looked up Colin Sahlman's youth stats. He was good, but others were better. His big jump was as a h.s. freshman. He is a good example of not just looking at stats but also considering the kid's physical maturation. That's why I'm not that interested in junior high or even freshman performances.
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