Just catching up. A suspected intersex women wins 200m in Ostrava (Video), DESTROYS Allyson Felix

You are exactly what your username says you are. You are not worthy of interacting with the intelligent.

Yet you have demonstrated that you are far dumber.

These are hollow wins just like all of Caster's wins. Nobody regards them as the winner of the ladies {insert event}, its just seen as a laughable farce where the biological women had no chance.

I'm completely sympathetic to the plight of any intersex athlete but that sympathy does not extend to the point of "well, just take all the ladies medals".

But, as someone else noted, until the biological women refuse to line up, we'll be stuck in this holding pattern.

Note to LRC:

The lingo in new thread title you chose - "A suspected intersex women wins 200m..." is as inaccurate as it is illiterate. The athlete in this instance, Aminatou Seyni of Niger, is not "a suspected intersex women" [sic].

Seyni confirmed to the press in 2019 that Seyni is ineligible for women's middle-distance events because Seyni has one of the disorders of sex development covered by the so-called "Semenya rules" of the IAAF/WA that came into force in 2019 after the Court of Arbitration for Sport issued its decision in the Caster Semenya case challenging those rules.

As everyone at LRC HQ should know by now, these rules apply only to athletes who have ALL the following physical characteristics:

male XY sex chromosomes, not female XX chromosomes;

male gonads, testes - not female gonads, ovaries;

natural testosterone levels in (or above) the normal adult male range (7.7-29.4 nmol/L), not in or anywhere near the much lower normal adult female range (0.02-1.68 nmol/L);

functioning male androgen receptors and physiology that enable the affected athletes to utilize the male amounts of testosterone that their testes pump out as males typically do.

In other words, all the athletes subject to the IAAF/WA current DSD rules for women's competition have disorders of sex development solely affecting male sex development.

Seyni, Semenya and all the other runners currently competing in women's track whose status as XY DSD athletes has been confirmed by WA, the IOC, the press and themselves or their coaches or sports federations (Niyonsaba, Wambui, Mboma, Masilingi) have been through the male mini puberty of infancy and the longer male puberty of adolescence. In the process, they all acquired the myriad physical characteristics that give males significant advantages over females in nearly all sports.

In elite track, athletes endowed with the male advantage generally outperform female athletes by 10-12%.

In 2019 at the World Championships in Doha, Seyni told the press, "yes I was forbidden to participate in the 400m... I am obliged, it is because of the new rules of the IAAF. As for Caster Semenya, I am obliged to do like it."

A better and more accurate thread title would say something like:

Confirmed XY DSD athlete wins women's 200m in Ostrava...

Or just plain

XY DSD athlete wins women's 200m in Ostrava...

Time wasnt ridiculous just the gap. Felix has run well under that winning time. But yea, appearance isnt reliable but....sus for sure.

I know someone (physician scientist) who works on the very testing for wada. Even he recognizes that DSD is an advantage at every distance! Are women and men generally equal above 1500? 5000? 10000? Not even close. Its just stupid that we cut it off at 800. Have male biology, even if you suppress, gets the inherent advantage of being a man for decade(s). You can workout harder, stronger bones, muscular advantages and the list goes on. Why are we not calling for the heads of state for these governing bodies? Are we too emotionally attached to SebCoe to think he could be incompetent? Other sports clearly have same issue, but lets just worry about track. If track can "get right", maybe others will follow. I also blame the athletes, never hear women calling this out or certainly not enough. There should be chatter on instagram and everywhere else when Nyonsaba wins.

OK, well said. Why did she compete then? Is this outside IAAF or something?

And to clear if you grow your hair long we suspect less.

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Do Jamaicans have better weights? Because ETH and SAFP dont look anything like Prandini, Thomas, Felix, or even some of the buffer american sprinters. Its all quite confusing.

For a track side perspective, we decided to get the opinion of our trackside reporter Lauren. Lauren, what did you think of the winner’s move in the final straight?

No, they are not being "treated as they are sub human." They are being treated as human beings born with disorders of male sex development who are taking advantage of their rare, male-only medical conditions to compete in the wrong sex category - where they can easily trounce female athletes who are being denied a fair shot from the get-go.

They are being treated as human beings who have the intelligence to understand the information given to them by medical experts and their advisers, information which has been spelled out by WA and the Court of Arbitration for Sport: athletes with their particular kinds of disorders of male sex development have the same exact kinds and scale of unfair physical advantages over female athletes that males with normal sex development have.

They are being treated as human beings grown-up enough to know the fundamental differences between the two sexes, and with enough common sense to grasp why there are separate divisions for males and female in sports in the first place.

They are being treated as human beings with enough moral fibre basic human decency to know that the way they are behaving is unethical because it is patently unfair for anyone with male advantage to be competing in women's sports.

They are being treated as human beings who have the mental and emotional capacity, and enough regard for other human beings, to come to terms with the the fact that they were born with rare disorders of male sex development without taking it out on women.

They are being treated as human beings with enough "sportsmanship" to grasp that female athletes shouldn't be made to suffer and pay in order to compensate them for being born with partially undescended testes and anomalies of urogenital anatomy.

Other than their urogenital anatomy developing atypically during gestation in utero, there is nothing physically wrong with athletes like Seyni and Semenya. They are robustly healthy, in fact.

The people who are treating these athletes as "lesser" and are marginalizing them are those who believe that males who were born with their testes in a place other than the scrotal sac and without normally-developed penises should be shunted aside and cast out from the company and sports competition of boys and men because they can't accept that males with DSDs are bona fide members of the male sex who deserve to be treated as the equals of other males.

The people who are dehumanizing these athletes are the ones "othering" them by regarding them as deficient males and saying they should "run and play with the girls."

Watching a man in a womens race. This is why track is a joke. Among all the doping that goes on. What are we even watching at this point?

Very well said. Unfortunately you can't have a reasonable discussion with someone like reode. They will simply recite absurdity in an effort to virtue signal. This repels moderates and results in tit-for-tat politics like we are seeing with states one-uping each other with new abortion laws. By rejecting common sense, they will usher in a red wave.

I don't think your dyslexic "improvement" to the thread makes any difference. The level of offense taken by responders is the same either way.

Rojo changed the title of my troll thread to an even worse title. But there’s no denying Seyni has more muscle mass than Christian Coleman. There is no intersex here.

Umm... I don't happen to remember any mass boycott of races against Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui. So can you tell us how those athletes are no longer competing in 400-1500m if there was no mass boycott?

It todays society, who is going to stand up and say "this shouldn't be allowed?"

T&F is already barely a blip on the radar, and a focused (and manufactured outrage) if they were to straight out say "no more" could put T&F in even worse shape.

I could absolutely see certain locations say that meets aren't allowed if "rights" are being violated. Think to how major sports in the US have boycotted Georgia and North Carolina over similar issues recently.

The affected parties (the other runners) are the ones that will have to make a united stand, no one else is going to be able to do it for them.

200m is not a restricted event under the DSD rule. That could change after this season, depending on how fast Mboma runs.

And to anyone who thinks it would take the new WR to change the rule, Semenya did not break the WR.

Presumably, boycotts of races would benefit women’s T&F so it’s unfair that only the people that compete directly against there athletes should be expected to make a sacrifice. It would be like a MLB strike involving only one team.