I ran that race too and ran a PR with my watch telling me course was 3/4 of a mile short. Very flat too. Also, did not get any prize money since they no longer have a pool. Silly.
Nobody knows for sure if he is doping. What we do know for sure is that many Letsrun posters tend to get butt hurt when they see amateurs do impressive things in running. If only 4% of all marathon runners break 3 hours, then what NB did was impressive. The creation and prevalence of the term hobby jogger which is used to disparage amateur runners is a reflection of the insecurity of many posters on this message board. They like to believe they own this super inclusive club and get testy when anyone else gets money, recognition or success. It is kind of funny if you recognize it for what it is.
Doped? Probably. It is still an impressive feat for a guy that size.
I also have to laugh at the insecurity on display in any Nick Bare threads. LRC does have a large contingent of overly serious men that have bought into the whole monastic approach to running. Of course they are going to get ticked off when a big dude with a large social media following and a business comes somewhat close to what they can run. They have given up fun, women, fiscal success, social lives, etc. to pursue running and some YouTuber goes out and does something on a lark that gets attention and that diminishes the serious runner's "purity". Could it be that running isn't as hard as you want to believe it is?
Nick announces these things well in advance. Sign up, line up, and then kick his overly muscled a$$ to prove your superiority. (You won't do it because you are trying to set a lifetime 5K PR at age 35 and it might destroy your precious leg speed.)
It's amazing how some people on LRC can do an in-depth chemical profile of any athlete they see a picture of with no blood, urine, hair, spit or any other sample! Elizabeth Holmes should have hired them for Theranos instead of wasting so much time and money on silly fake blood analyzers.
The Elephant in the Room: Nick Bare could easily bring a defamation suit against individuals who are affirming that he is using specific PED's. He'd have the grounds to. Be careful what you post. Better hope this thread never hits a media outlet.
The Elephant in the Room: Nick Bare could easily bring a defamation suit against individuals who are affirming that he is using specific PED's. He'd have the grounds to. Be careful what you post. Better hope this thread never hits a media outlet.
He would never do that. Because that would bring a lot more attention to his alleged doping. There is a good reason why everybody here thinks he is on the juice.
The Elephant in the Room: Nick Bare could easily bring a defamation suit against individuals who are affirming that he is using specific PED's. He'd have the grounds to. Be careful what you post. Better hope this thread never hits a media outlet.
Big Nick's lawyers would be busy as hell. 98% of the commentors on Nick's own youtube page and posters on interviews with Nick on them like Mark Smelly Bell's youtube page all assume that Nick is on PEDs. Nick would have to sue the world, but that's capitalism for you.
And seriously dude, you've watched his videos, right? He is all about better living through chemistry. And that's fine with me, but don't pretend like he isn't hopped up on the sauce.
The funny thing is that if NB is doping, he is making a huge success of it. Most of the real deal running world dopers that have been caught go home poor and devastated. And that is what really grinds the gears of the Letsrun crowd. It isn't about taking a Boston spot at all.
I get where you are coming from, but I can also understand why your typical letsrun user wouldn't take kindly to someone like Nick Bare. His time itself isn't all that impressive, but given he doesn't come from a running background and is probably around 200 pounds definitely makes things interesting. I do have a hard time believing he is natural. Whether he continues down the running path, or decides to do something else, I find him entertaining and motivating. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, I'm all for social media influencers drawing more attention running.
I think there is a lot of insecurity on letsrun, and it really shows when we have someone who doesn't come from a traditional running background, or look like your "typical" runner start to get some attention in the running world.
I think the point is if he is actually is using PEDs (doping), then it is a slap in the face to all the honest, hard working (clean) marathon runners out there. It's not about "coming from a traditional running background" or "weighing 180 lbs or 200lbs" it's simply about following the rules of the sport. So there is a component of ethics and integrity and tradition when it comes to using performance enhancing drugs (or not). Why would I be impressed if someone on EPO/hgh/testosterone ran unnaturally fast for their body type? They cheated! Maybe they can wear roller blades next time? Ultimately you are stealing a Boston Marathon spot from someone if that was the case. If tested, a positive would result in a DQ and a multi-year ban from the sport. In ultra running you'd have a lifetime ban from races like Western States 100 for that.
That being said I'm sure many a social media influencers are on all sorts of illegal things. I don't know why people believe what they see on social media these days...there are so many layers of facades....it's mostly surface level fluff!
It's like being "successful in business" when one got a bunch of money from their parents to burn and cheated on their taxes. Do we celebrate insider trading and how people make it big in financial markets doing that because of their " personal investment savvy"?
Disclaimer: I don't know the guy and I'm not saying he's on anything. I don't know anything about his background or his business/athletic history. I'm just explaining why some runners on LetsRun (who compete clean under WADA rules) might not take kindly to any person's times/performances if they happened to be on PEDs.
I think it's a little bit worse, as if he is doping, it's not just cheating to come in 250th (or whatever) in a marathon, more importantly it's misleading with regard to his business, which is selling supplements. For example, his brand new meal replacement shake. It leads people to believe that that they can look like him and perform like him, if they just eat like him i.e., take his supplements. However, if he's doping, then no amount of hard work and taking his supplements will allow someone to achieve similar results as, in reality, they'd need to also be taking whatever he's not actually telling people he's taking.
I should say - personally I don't care what he takes, I just think he needs to be 100% honest about it. But, if he is doping, he won't come clean because I doubt it would help with selling the amazing benefits of his supplements.
He's not 225 now, but maybe close to 200. He's 5'10". Of course he is on loads of stuff. Why wouldn't he be? His biz is all about his results and what he looks like. He is in this happy area where he is not good enough to be tested but by using it improves his results enough to garner a following. Just see this thread as an example.
Nobody knows for sure if he is doping. What we do know for sure is that many Letsrun posters tend to get butt hurt when they see amateurs do impressive things in running. If only 4% of all marathon runners break 3 hours, then what NB did was impressive. The creation and prevalence of the term hobby jogger which is used to disparage amateur runners is a reflection of the insecurity of many posters on this message board. They like to believe they own this super inclusive club and get testy when anyone else gets money, recognition or success. It is kind of funny if you recognize it for what it is.
Nobody knows for sure if he is doping. What we do know for sure is that many Letsrun posters tend to get butt hurt when they see amateurs do impressive things in running. If only 4% of all marathon runners break 3 hours, then what NB did was impressive. The creation and prevalence of the term hobby jogger which is used to disparage amateur runners is a reflection of the insecurity of many posters on this message board. They like to believe they own this super inclusive club and get testy when anyone else gets money, recognition or success. It is kind of funny if you recognize it for what it is.
I think it's more just envy than anything.
Envy? Meh, I don't know man. The guy just comes across as a sauced-up goofball making millions selling his supplements. I suppose I could be envious that he found a way to get rich doing what he loves, but I don't think anyone here is envious of his bicep size and mediocre marathon time.
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Doping as a hybrid athlete has taught me so much about endurance - from marathons to iron man triathlons, and 100 mile ultra trail races. I'm now setting a goal to run a 2:50 marathon. It's time to lean in, and juice one more.
I went under 2:50 (2:43 to 2:49) a number of times in marathons the 185 to 195 lb range. I am far from the only person to have done it.
I know a guy in the 180s who went sub 2:40.
Yes but can they deadlift 405lb for 5 in sets during the marathon build?
I don't think anyone defending him really takes much of a deep dive into what the fitness biz is all about, or what is really achievable naturally. It would be one thing if he deadlifted 700lbs 5yrs ago, then did nothing but run and transform into a distance runner, but NOOOOOOOOOO....he still lifts like a guy who lifts and looks exceptionally big and lean for a guy doing what he is doing. He is at least on TRT, same as Hall. He has always had a suspect PED looking build, not a natural athlete build. He was a grown man in his 20s in the Army and looked just like a regular dude before he got on the good stuff and got jacked and heuuuuge.
You can find a few dozen youtube videos and discussion thread about Nick and others.
This is simply a standard youtube influencer "fake natty" thing. The unique part is that it has found its way onto Letsrun.
He uses the superhuman persona to sell his supplements. And just like other "fake natty" social media influencers, he creates unrealistic expectations of what is possible for the non-PED using public.
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