Where in your cited article does it say 6 yr olds are getting puberty blockers or 12 yr olds are groomed into transitioning?
Sorry I didn't think it was necessary to provide explicit evidence for all of my points but since I'm sure this is all you need to change your mind I'll add them in below.
James Damon Younger, whose mother and pediatrician wanted to put him on puberty blockers when he was 6
"The lawsuit against the Kettle Moraine school district was filed in Waukesha county circuit court last Wednesday. The plaintiffs argue that the district undermined and overrode parents’ decision-making role regarding a “major and controversial” issue. “Specifically,” it said, “the district has adopted a policy to allow, facilitate, and ‘affirm’ a minor student’s request to transition to a different gender identity at school – without parental consent and even over the parents’ objection.”
Here are some peer-reviewed papers that substantiate my claim that in the current century, very few males who were allowed to develop normally as kids and did not have "puberty blockers" and castration pushed on them as minors go on to have their balls removed as adults even when they adopt an opposite-sex gender identity.
I am asking for evidence that trans people who take puberty blockers are "pushed" by their parents or other adults to transition.
You specifically mentioned Jazz Jennings as one example. Where is the evidence that Jazz's parents pushed her to transition? And where is the evidence that she had a sexual reassignment surgery before the age of consent?
Do you think all trans kids who started transition as minors were "pushed" by their parents or other adults?
Jazz Jennings' entire "gender journey" has been documented on 7 seasons of the TLC television show "I Am Jazz;" in hundreds of media interviews and stories starting when Jazz was a little boy of 5-6; in Jazz's 2016 autobiography "Being Jazz: My Life As A (Transgender) Teen" published when Jazz was 14; and in the children's book Jazz supposedly co-authored when Jazz was 11, "I Am Jazz."
I do not believe that all persons who started "gender transition" as minors were pushed into it by their parents or other adults. Some kids, tweens and teens have heard about being trans from their peers, from older minors, from the internet, from entertainment and news media and decided they were trans before telling their parents. Some males who begin "gender transition" as minors have been strongly influenced by certain kinds of online pornography, especially sissy and forced feminization porn, as well as by certain kinds of anime. And very rarely, some kids have come up with the idea they were meant to be the opposite sex all on their own.
However, all who've had medical interventions such as "puberty blockers" as pre-teens and double mastectomies, exogenous hormones and genital surgeries for purposes of "gender transition" as minor-age teens clearly all received these interventions at the hands of adults with the approval and involvement of other adults. All these youngsters were/have been encouraged and enabled to pursue "gender transition" in childhood and adolescence by numerous adults in their lives - family members, "gender therapists," pediatricians and GPs, physicians specializing in "child and adolescent gender medicine," teachers, counselors, gender identity activists, online influencers and so on.
The persons I believe have been totally pushed, and are being totally pushed, into "gender transition" by their own parents and other adults in their lives are the youngsters who from an early age have been told by their mums and dads, grandparents, "gender therapists," doctors, teachers, clergy and such that they were "born in the wrong body" the way Jazz Jennings was told again and again and again by Jazz's mum and family starting when Jazz was 2.
I believe that all the persons put on GnRH analogs aka "puberty blockers" to halt their normal development for purposes of "gender transition" when they were 9, 10, 11 and 12 were definitely pushed into it by the adults in their lives.
Jazz Jennings was in preschool and kindergarten when Jazz became the world's first celebrity "transgender child" by making media appearances, including a big splash USA television show "20/20" when Jazz was 6.
Jazz was 11 when Jazz's parents and doctors put the child on "puberty blockers" to stop Jazz's pituitary gland and testicles from functioning. Jazz was 11 and five months when Jazz's parents and doctors put Jazz on exogenous estrogen pills.
At 12, Jazz started suffering crippling depression and anxiety, but rather than take Jazz off the blockers and exogenous estrogen to see if Jazz's mental health improved once Jazz's normal, natural development was allowed to resume, Jazz's parents and doctors decided to keep Jazz on the puberty blocking drugs and factory-made cross-sex hormone pills and add a bunch of other Big Pharma drugs, this time psych medications. (Which might be why Jazz at 20 still has deep depression and anxiety that interferes with functioning and impairs quality of life, struggles with an eating disorder, has grown morbidly obese and has developed endocrine dysfunction and a heart condition.)
All of Jazz's childhood, Jazz was told that Jazz had the body of one sex and the brain of another sex - and that one wonderful day in the future a brilliant surgeon would make Jazz's "wrong body" right by removing Jazz's testicles and magically transforming Jazz's penis and scrotal skin into a vagina and vulva.
Jazz was 16 when Jazz's parents started taking the teen to see surgeons about getting Jazz's genitals operated on. Jazz was 17 when Jazz underwent the three genital surgeries that Jazz ended up requiring (the second two surgeries were needed because as Jazz and family explained on TV, the first so-called "vagina" Jazz got "exploded" and "fell apart" shortly after the first surgery).
Poor Jazz never had a chance. Because Jazz's parents and the other adults in Jazz's life filled Jazz's head with gender ideology and magical thinking from the time Jazz was a toddler. And because they subjected Jazz to medical interventions starting when Jazz was 11 that prevented Jazz's body and brain from going through the the range of normal maturation processes that are supposed to occur during puberty and adolescence.
The medical interventions that Jazz had as a minor before Jazz was mature, knowledgable and experienced enough to legitimately give "informed consent" didn't just deprive Jazz of the ability to have biological children - they also deprived Jazz of all other kinds of sexual function before Jazz got a chance to have any idea what Jazz would be missing out on. Jazz has never developed a normal adolescent/young adult libido and has never had an orgasm - and probably never will. On Jazz's TV show, Jazz said Jazz had heard an orgasm is "like a sneeze."
In the midst of the oldest track meet in the United States, the paper of record's coverage of running is about... a man who won $10,000 in a marathon with a time just barely faster than the winner of the women's race. Leaving aside the issue of whether non-binary is a legitimate category (it's not). How does it make any sense that gender identity factors into athletic performance. Can anyone explain to me why there should be a separate category for slower men who identify as they/thems to compete in? With transwomen I understand that it's a more complex issue because there are hormonal treatments (read: castration) that lend credence to the argument that they should compete with the women (they shouldn't). But in this case I don't see any science based argument for why this category is necessary other than for providing clout chasing men with an opportunity to leverage their newfound status as a protected class to win money that should otherwise be going to the actual winners of the men/women's races.
What is apparent is that you just posted this story so you could ride your transphobic hobby horse. Glad you're having fun.
Because the label "transphobic" is a meaningless phrase that conveys nothing about an individuals beliefs. Is it "transphobic" of me to not want 6 year olds put on puberty blockers, or see 12 year olds groomed into socially transitioning by school staff without their parents knowledge? Am I transphobic for thinking that a father shouldn't lose custody over his 15 year old son because he doesn't approve of him medically transitioning?
Yes, you can be called transphobic because you clearly have an agenda and it is anti-trans. I won't read your specific cases, because I know that there are legitimate arguments from different parties on both sides, and you are only presenting the argument from one side, the anti-trans side. You may actually be right to argue against transitioning in some of the cases, or even all of the ones you picked out, but in a forum where we are not involved in those specific cases, to only use that as your argument can be called anti-trans or transphobic.
Trinity Neal, aka "the black Jazz Jennings," was decreed to be transgender at age 4 by the adults in Trinity's life after the autistic, clinically depressed pre-schooler with a pica disorder was taken by his mom DeShanna to a "gender therapist" - all because Trinity wanted to wear dresses and play with toys that mom considered "girly" and "wrong" for a little boy to like. Trinity's mom, who later found employment as a salaried "gender identity advocate" for the Human Rights Campaign and now "identifies as" a "genderqueer she/they" sued to have Delaware Medicaid foot the bill for Trinity to go on "puberty blockers" at age 12 - and to have "gender affirming" castration and penile reconfiguration surgery at 16.
In explaining why Trinity needed to be put on puberty blockers, one of the reasons Trinity's mom DeShanna cited is that as a child Trinity often couldn't sleep at night because of nightmares about developing a voice as deep as Barry White's. Seems an odd thing for a kid born circa 2004-5 to have nightmares about, no? Makes one wonder who introduced Trinity to Barry White, a singer whose hits were all in the early 1970s. Also makes one wonder who told the child that having a voice like Barry White's is a bad thing.
Since Trinity's genital surgeries, mom has announced that another of her autistic male children, Hyperion, had "come out" as a "trans girl" at age 10 too - and that a third son at age 6 was "gender fluid" and exploring "becoming a girl" through dance and clothing. (Her fourth son had already been through male puberty by the time this happened, so he is the only one of the four male children of the single mother who isn't trying to identify out of his sex. Also, he's going blind so probably "gender transition" has limited appeal to him since "transitioning" mainly involves obsessing about and changing how one looks anyways.)
Jackie Green of the UK was 12 when his mother, Susie, took him to Boston to see Norman Spack, MD so Spack could prescribe Jackie GnRH analogs to block Jackie's normal natural development. When Jackie was 15, Susie took the youth to Thailand so that on the day of Jackie's 16th birthday surgeons could remove Jackie's testicles and reconfigure the penis and scrotal skin in imitation of female organs. In response to the Green case, Thailand made it illegal to perform "gender confirmation" genital surgeries on anyone under 18.
As head of Mermaids, a UK-based charity that promotes "gender transition" of minors, Susie Green now promotes doing to other people's children what she did to her own child. Green and Mermaids advocate putting confused young kids on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones in their tweens and early teens, surgically removing the breasts of teenage girls for purposes of "gender affirmation," and lowering the legal and customary age for "gender confirming" genital surgeries so that more teens can be castrated at 16 like Jackie Green was.
Kai Shappley was decreed trans at age 3 by the conservative Christian, Bible-thumping and deeply homophobic woman who gave birth to him. When Kai was an infant, his mom feared her baby boy was gay and became convinced that other people were noticing and saying behind her back that "something wasn't right" about the poor child. Mom says that when Kai was 2, other family members began asking if he was gay and tsk-tsking about it.
Kai's mom has said she tried everything she could think of - "praying away the gay," beating Kai, throwing away the toys and clothes Kai most loved but which she considered wrong for a boy. When none of this worked, she decreed that Kai was "trans" and was "born in the wrong body."
In the past two years mom has been taking Kai all over the USA so that at age 10 and 11 the child can make emotional appeals to state legislatures and the press about why males should be allowed to compete in female sports and why kids Kai's age must have their development blocked at puberty by being put on powerful, extremely expensive drugs that were originally developed for men with late-stage prostate cancer - and whose use to treat children with distress over gender/sex issues is entirely experimental and has never been approved by the FDA or any other similar body in the world.
Kai is too young to know that a good number of the terminal prostate cancer patients found the drugs used as "puberty blockers" in kids for "gender affirmation" have too many negative "side effects" for the drugs to be tolerable. Kai is also too young to know that when these same drugs were used to blunt the sex drives of men convicted of heinous sex crimes, courts and medical professionals decided the drugs were a violation of male sex offenders' human rights. Kai is also too young to know that there are numerous lawsuits against the makers of the drugs used to block puberty in minors by thousands of women who took them for precocious puberty as children and for endometriosis as adults.
However, the canned statements Kai reads off an iPhone in Kai's public appearances make it clear that Kai has been taught many things by the adults in Kai's life that might be damaging to Kai's mental health and world view: Kai is convinced that many people hate Kai for having an "authentic self" and want to harm and kill Kai and other "trans kids" for "just for existing."
Without the adults in their lives pushing gender woo on them, none these kids would have heard about gender identities, transgenderism, puberty blockers, exogenous cross-sex hormones, or "gender confirmation surgeries" in the first place. None of these youngsters would now be living with mistaken impression that the whole world is full of "transphobes" who hate them and are out to get them.
Sadly, there are many more male youngsters out there like Jazz, Trinity, Jackie and Kai who were "transed" as children and adolescents at the hands of their often very screwed-up, incredibly sexist and controlling parents and other adults with dodgy theories, sexist ideas and questionable ethics and motives. And in the past decade, the young males like the ones I've mentioned have been joined by legions of female youngsters. Nowadays the young males being fed into the maw of the child gender medicine industry are exceeded by female minors, who outnumber their male counterparts by ratios of 2-3 to 1. By far the single most common "gender affirming" surgery performed today is double mastectomy, which in the US is being done on girls as young as 13.
Maybe we are just getting ready to be humanoids. perhaps the deep state is getting ready to introduce the alien species and we’d have a hard time gender identifying them. therefore, aliens won’t have to feel bad, and we’ll all be used to it.
look at r/TumblrInAction on reddit. Jackie Green and Jazz Jennings were gr00med by their parents, forced on puberty blockers, and then subjected to a pseudo "sex change" (creating a facsimile of a vagina) that didn't work because there wasn't enough material to work with because of the puberty blockers
When much younger, I remember attending many local races where there were no divisions. Everyone started at the same time and competed against everyone else. The first three finishers received recognition and awards.
Some race directors started adding a separate category for female runners. I have also seen categories for walkers, all sorts of age groups, those with physical disabilities, those with intellectual disabilities, those running with dogs, athenas and clydesdales (those that weighed a certain amount more than average), local resident categories, club member categories, those pushing babies in stroller devices, those running with their child, those running with a spouse, those running in a costume, etc.
Now some event directors may choose to expand their categories to include those that identify as nonbinary. There are numerouss other catefoties that could be added based upon how individuals choose to identify themselves.
I have no preference about what categories event directors choose to offer. I a Event directors have the ability to offer as many or as few divisions as they wish. (I have also attended races where there were no categories, and even the runner that finished first was not recognized) Runners can decide what they are and what they want to be, based on genetics and/or their choice, and enter any category that they wish. Participants can also choose not to select any category, and refuse to provide information regarding their gender and age that are on most entry forms.
If I do not like what categories and event offers, I do not have to participate.
Events directors do not even have to separate categories when they recognize participants. It would be intersting to see someone get awards for finishing third overall running as a nonbinary individual in a team with their spouse in the 20-29 age group as a local club member and heavier runner with a phycical disability in a costume.
I don't have a dog. Can I compete in the non-caninary division? I do have a cat, so is there a felinary division?
I have never been a race director, but I have a lot of respect for what they do. They have to decide what they want to reward, what they want to emphasize, what sort of experience they want to provide to their paying participants.
The nonbinary option maybe is a good selling point for a race in one part of the country, not just in terms of the number of nonbinary participants but also in terms of the race's overall "affect." It could appeal to a population that supports in principle the idea of nonbinary as a reasonable gender choice. It arguably wouldn't be a selling point in other parts of the country.
As far as races with other categories and nonstandard aspects, we already have them. I've competed (with dog) in a race that encourages dog participation, and which had a prizes both for the human/dog category and the human-only category. I've been in other races that prohibited dogs. Obviously, some races have a wheelchair division, most don't. You'll never have a baby-stroller division for liability reasons.
Regarding prize money, if I were a race director, I would worry about the appearance of welcoming people to register as nonbinary, and then having second-rate or lower-tier prizes for them. "Yes, you can register, but only at this inferior level." It would undermine the experience that you're trying to create.
I've run in a few races with stroller divisions including a father's day race that was only dad's with strollers.
You seem intimately familiar, buddy. Good for you that you see little barrier to transitioning, you got this!
There's a really weird kind of cognitive dissonance among people attempting to defend the trans side of this debate that I see pop up quite regularly. On one hand, you're obviously attempting to stand up for trans people (which is fair enough), but then you also attempt to make fun of people who know anything about the issue; as if seeking to gather knowledge about trans/non-binary is some kind of weird fetish, and thereby implying that trans/non-binary is weird and fetishistic.
I just thought I'd point this out, because if you continue to do this, it won't be long before the mob comes for you.
seriously, you must be smoking something special if you think (on average) parents are pushing their kids to be trans. trans kids are homeless at astonishingly high rates because (on average) their parents don't accept them. any example of that is in fact a counterexample to the norm.
You seem intimately familiar, buddy. Good for you that you see little barrier to transitioning, you got this!
There's a really weird kind of cognitive dissonance among people attempting to defend the trans side of this debate that I see pop up quite regularly. On one hand, you're obviously attempting to stand up for trans people (which is fair enough), but then you also attempt to make fun of people who know anything about the issue; as if seeking to gather knowledge about trans/non-binary is some kind of weird fetish, and thereby implying that trans/non-binary is weird and fetishistic.
I just thought I'd point this out, because if you continue to do this, it won't be long before the mob comes for you.
They see it as defending a bunch of unfortunate weirdos they feel bad for, and they see that as a virtuous thing to do. Nobody actually takes these people seriously.
Kipchoge should just run in this category during retirement until he’s like 60
He could, but he won’t.
Many posters on LR like to predict a wave of “fakes”, but there’s no evidence of it having happened. A guy with the discipline to train enough to run 2:30, is likely to be an educated, decent person. A fake’s family, friends and co-workers would know he’s not binary and he would lose their respect. He would also be fired from most professional jobs. I just don’t see someone selling their integrity for so cheap of a price.
Kipchoge should just run in this category during retirement until he’s like 60
He could, but he won’t.
Many posters on LR like to predict a wave of “fakes”, but there’s no evidence of it having happened. A guy with the discipline to train enough to run 2:30, is likely to be an educated, decent person. A fake’s family, friends and co-workers would know he’s not binary and he would lose their respect. He would also be fired from most professional jobs. I just don’t see someone selling their integrity for so cheap of a price.
literally every man claiming to be a woman is a fake, because women are female humans and not costumes for men to wear. And 'Non binary' is a nonsense concept signifying nothing, invented by navel gazing academia in the late 90s.
All it takes is one a**hat to ruin the party though. I would assume not everyone is in a situation where they'd get fired over lying, or maybe it's just not enough of a deterrent to them. Or what if a non binary runner changes their mind about their gender identity a few years later, do race directors think they were lying?
I definitely feel that giving out equal amounts of elite money to a small group of people whose identity may be impossible to truly verify is a weird situation. It's not like wheelchair racing where, yeah, there's a really limited amount of people that show up but they really have no choice but to compete with their chair.
I have no issue with having non binary divisions where prize money is negligible, but having 3-5 elite runners for a major metropolitan race show up for 3 non binary prize money spots (because that's where we're at rn) is just not a good look for the LGBT+ movement
seriously, you must be smoking something special if you think (on average) parents are pushing their kids to be trans. trans kids are homeless at astonishingly high rates because (on average) their parents don't accept them. any example of that is in fact a counterexample to the norm.
Just out of curiosity I looked up the writer of the article on Twitter. Turns out she's a they/them with a "trans 8 year old" and "queer 12 year old" who is extremely passionate about exposing children to kinks. Now you might say that this isn't representative of most cases but if you're an elite aspirant it's obviously a pretty good way to move up the social ladder. As more prize money becomes available and more articles are written about brave non binary runners I believe we'll start to see a lot more parents like this.
