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3 years ago 04/06/2022 2:47am EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).

So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.

3 years ago 04/06/2022 3:23am EDT

re: Salvitore Stitchmo

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
theRanMan wrote:
So even if he ran poorly, you accuse of him of doping?
I hope he can run a fast marathon, big fan.. But at the same time i expected him to blow up, the same for Jake Robertson.
Their workouts are enormous, Canova special block etc.. So I would have expected more than 2:11 for Julien, but again it was his debut.. He will learn from it.
He's run poorly now for a considerable period of time. This followed a short period of time while he was living and training in Kenya and running incredibly.
You don't see a connection here? Ran well while training and living in Kenya where there is easy access to doping and basically zero control, since not living and training in Kenya is not running well (for an extended period of time). I mean how hard is this to grasp?

Well pretty hard to grasp what you are talking about. The man still lives in Kenya!!! You obviously know very little about Wanders.

3 years ago 04/06/2022 3:25am EDT

re: Renato Canova

Renato Canova wrote:
Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).
So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.

Thanks for writing here Mr. Canova! I hope Wanders make huge performance this year. Will he be in Oregon?

3 years ago 04/06/2022 3:38am EDT

re: Renato Canova

Canova, has Wanders a mental coach? In a lot of sports nowadays mental coaches play an important role.

3 years ago 04/06/2022 6:05am EDT

re: Renato Canova

Renato Canova wrote:
Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).
So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.

Wanders has been showing clear signs of overtraining for years. Hows the life quality of these athletes after they have been run to the ground year in and year out when they stop training?

3 years ago 04/06/2022 8:56am EDT

re: KAV

KAV wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:
Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).
So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.
Wanders has been showing clear signs of overtraining for years. Hows the life quality of these athletes after they have been run to the ground year in and year out when they stop training?

I was thinking about this the other day with regard to people like Wanders and also the Robertson twins who have been living in Kenya basically for the past 10 years. With regard to Julien, I don’t think he will have problems because he comes from a family of classical musicians in Geneva, Switzerland and so I assume that he will benefit from a good social support network system from his family. Robertson twins I’m not sure about their future but hopefully it will be good too. Wanders and the Robertson twins are sponsored by ASICS (well at least one of the twins, I think Zane is a Nike guy) and so hopefully after their careers are over they will find some niche within those shoe and apparel companies. If any of the information I provide in this message is erroneous, I stand corrected with apologies.

3 years ago 04/06/2022 9:53am EDT

re: Ghost1

Ghost1 wrote:
KAV wrote:
Wanders has been showing clear signs of overtraining for years. Hows the life quality of these athletes after they have been run to the ground year in and year out when they stop training?
I was thinking about this the other day with regard to people like Wanders and also the Robertson twins who have been living in Kenya basically for the past 10 years. With regard to Julien, I don’t think he will have problems because he comes from a family of classical musicians in Geneva, Switzerland and so I assume that he will benefit from a good social support network system from his family. Robertson twins I’m not sure about their future but hopefully it will be good too. Wanders and the Robertson twins are sponsored by ASICS (well at least one of the twins, I think Zane is a Nike guy) and so hopefully after their careers are over they will find some niche within those shoe and apparel companies. If any of the information I provide in this message is erroneous, I stand corrected with apologies.

Jake is not sponsored:)

3 years ago 04/08/2022 7:25am EDT

re: Renato Canova

Renato: how do you deside the amount of work that an athlete need to be well prepared for a marathon?

From Juliens Strava it seems to me that he had fewer longruns over 90% of MP than many of your other athlete, like Moses Mosop/Abel Kirui, who used to run 45 km at 90-93% of MP 8 weeks before, and maby 40 k at 95-97% 4 weeks before.

And also he had not so many long spesific marathon workout longer than 23 km with alternating paces?

Can you please explain the reason for this and the difference between the needs of Julien, who ran his first marathon, and an athlete like Eric Kiptanui, more prepared in this direction?

2 years ago 02/25/2023 10:51am EST

re: Renato Canova

Renato Canova wrote:
Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).
So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.

Bumping this thread. Man, in 2019 Julien was on one... 13:13 27:15 59:15 before the spikes (but not vaporflys?)

He changed from Nike to Asics in 2020 and changed to Canova then too? Maybe covid lifestyle messed him up?

Not trying to throw shade at Julien here. I was always so pumped to see his results. If he had his 2019 in 2022 imagine what his times could have been..

2 years ago 02/25/2023 11:47am EST

re: renatnooooo

renatnooooo wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:
Before writing your stupid conjectures without any evidence, you need to know what happened from February 2020 till last year. And, only for explaining that your conjecture is totally a nonsense, Julien trained in Kenya also before BAD performances. This time he went Kenya from the beginning of October, staying Europe few days only for his competitions (Escalade and ECCCh in December, 10 km of Valencia in Jan and Napoli HM on 27th Feb, coming from Kenya 2 days before the race and going back the next day).
So, your stupid and unfair supposition already start with a fake fact : that he didn't train in altitude when ran bad competitions. We need to search the reason is in some other field.
Bumping this thread. Man, in 2019 Julien was on one... 13:13 27:15 59:15 before the spikes (but not vaporflys?)
He changed from Nike to Asics in 2020 and changed to Canova then too? Maybe covid lifestyle messed him up?
Not trying to throw shade at Julien here. I was always so pumped to see his results. If he had his 2019 in 2022 imagine what his times could have been..

Hello - you are slightly inaccurate with some of Julien's times.

Julien Wanders Personal Bests:

800 -1:51.57 (24/08/2019)

1500 - 3:39.30 (03/08/2019)

3000 - 7:43.62 (04/07/2019)

5000 - 13:13.84 (05/07/2019)

10,000 - 27:17.27 (17/07/2019)

5km - 13:29 (17/02/2019)

10km - 27:13 (12/01/2020)

Half Mar: 59:13 (08/02/2020)

Marathon: 2:11:52 (03/04/2022)

His 2019 until 12/01/2020 was absolutely scintillating starting off that year 2019 with 13:29/5km in Monaco (17/02/2019), and then those monster back to back track performances (July-August 2019) from 800 to 10,000 all within a few weeks (!!!), most achieved in "Bush League" minor meets in his native Switzerland.

He started 2020 with a bang with 27:13 for 10km rd on January 12, 2020, Valencia, + 59:13 Half in Ras Al K (08/02/2020), and then when COVID hit the world from March 2020, Julien went into meltdown with various ailments and was never the same again. I think he also suffered from despondency and depression during those COVID times which seemed to drag on forever. This guy (Wanders) lives like the proverbial monk, so not surprising. Julien's whole life is based on running. He has nothing else, beyond a secondary interest in Rap Music, with French (not English lyrics).

Let's hope the running Muzungu monk of Iten (part owner and manager of the Midland restaurant) can get back to his previous level.

2 years ago 02/25/2023 11:59am EST

re: Ghost1

Correction -J.W. ran 59:13 at RAK on Feb 2, 2019.

His 2020 season ended (within first month) with 27:13 road 10km in Valencia on 12/01/2020. Great things were to come, but then....C.

After that COVID took over and seriously damaged Julien's life and countless others.

2 years ago 02/25/2023 1:14pm EST

re: Ghost1

Ghost1 wrote:
renatnooooo wrote:
Bumping this thread. Man, in 2019 Julien was on one... 13:13 27:15 59:15 before the spikes (but not vaporflys?)
He changed from Nike to Asics in 2020 and changed to Canova then too? Maybe covid lifestyle messed him up?
Not trying to throw shade at Julien here. I was always so pumped to see his results. If he had his 2019 in 2022 imagine what his times could have been..
Hello - you are slightly inaccurate with some of Julien's times.
Julien Wanders Personal Bests:
800 -1:51.57 (24/08/2019)
1500 - 3:39.30 (03/08/2019)
3000 - 7:43.62 (04/07/2019)
5000 - 13:13.84 (05/07/2019)
10,000 - 27:17.27 (17/07/2019)
5km - 13:29 (17/02/2019)
10km - 27:13 (12/01/2020)
Half Mar: 59:13 (08/02/2020)
Marathon: 2:11:52 (03/04/2022)
His 2019 until 12/01/2020 was absolutely scintillating starting off that year 2019 with 13:29/5km in Monaco (17/02/2019), and then those monster back to back track performances (July-August 2019) from 800 to 10,000 all within a few weeks (!!!), most achieved in "Bush League" minor meets in his native Switzerland.
He started 2020 with a bang with 27:13 for 10km rd on January 12, 2020, Valencia, + 59:13 Half in Ras Al K (08/02/2020), and then when COVID hit the world from March 2020, Julien went into meltdown with various ailments and was never the same again. I think he also suffered from despondency and depression during those COVID times which seemed to drag on forever. This guy (Wanders) lives like the proverbial monk, so not surprising. Julien's whole life is based on running. He has nothing else, beyond a secondary interest in Rap Music, with French (not English lyrics).
Let's hope the running Muzungu monk of Iten (part owner and manager of the Midland restaurant) can get back to his previous level.

how many photos of him do you have saved?

2 years ago 02/25/2023 6:01pm EST

re: renatnooooo

renatnooooo wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Hello - you are slightly inaccurate with some of Julien's times.
Julien Wanders Personal Bests:
800 -1:51.57 (24/08/2019)
1500 - 3:39.30 (03/08/2019)
3000 - 7:43.62 (04/07/2019)
5000 - 13:13.84 (05/07/2019)
10,000 - 27:17.27 (17/07/2019)
5km - 13:29 (17/02/2019)
10km - 27:13 (12/01/2020)
Half Mar: 59:13 (08/02/2020)
Marathon: 2:11:52 (03/04/2022)
His 2019 until 12/01/2020 was absolutely scintillating starting off that year 2019 with 13:29/5km in Monaco (17/02/2019), and then those monster back to back track performances (July-August 2019) from 800 to 10,000 all within a few weeks (!!!), most achieved in "Bush League" minor meets in his native Switzerland.
He started 2020 with a bang with 27:13 for 10km rd on January 12, 2020, Valencia, + 59:13 Half in Ras Al K (08/02/2020), and then when COVID hit the world from March 2020, Julien went into meltdown with various ailments and was never the same again. I think he also suffered from despondency and depression during those COVID times which seemed to drag on forever. This guy (Wanders) lives like the proverbial monk, so not surprising. Julien's whole life is based on running. He has nothing else, beyond a secondary interest in Rap Music, with French (not English lyrics).
Let's hope the running Muzungu monk of Iten (part owner and manager of the Midland restaurant) can get back to his previous level.
how many photos of him do you have saved?

I have no photos saved of J.W. but regularly follow his Insta feed. One cannot help but admire the dedication of the Swiss man, Julien Wanders, who makes Kenya his home. Hope he gets back to his previous level, at least. The same for Sondre Norstadt Moen (Norge), another Canova trained athlete, and victor at Fukuoka in 2017, with 2:05:48.

2 years ago 02/25/2023 6:27pm EST

re: Ghost1

Ghost1 wrote:
renatnooooo wrote:
how many photos of him do you have saved?
I have no photos saved of J.W. but regularly follow his Insta feed. One cannot help but admire the dedication of the Swiss man, Julien Wanders, who makes Kenya his home. Hope he gets back to his previous level, at least. The same for Sondre Norstadt Moen (Norge), another Canova trained athlete, and victor at Fukuoka in 2017, with 2:05:48.

I have to say that i feel fantastic about the fact that Julien Wanders is DONE!

Gives me goosebumps just to think about it!

2 years ago 02/26/2023 3:05am EST

re: Julien Viandeurs

Julien Viandeurs wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
I have no photos saved of J.W. but regularly follow his Insta feed. One cannot help but admire the dedication of the Swiss man, Julien Wanders, who makes Kenya his home. Hope he gets back to his previous level, at least. The same for Sondre Norstadt Moen (Norge), another Canova trained athlete, and victor at Fukuoka in 2017, with 2:05:48.
I have to say that i feel fantastic about the fact that Julien Wanders is DONE!
Gives me goosebumps just to think about it!

Julien is not done. He's still training like a beast with some tweaks, provided by Professor Canova, in Iten, Elgeyo Marakwet, Kenya. He also has a stable business there, The Midland Hotel/Restaurant in Central Iten, directly across from the bank.

2 years ago 02/26/2023 3:17am EST

re: Ghost1

Ghost1 wrote:
Julien Viandeurs wrote:
I have to say that i feel fantastic about the fact that Julien Wanders is DONE!
Gives me goosebumps just to think about it!
Julien is not done. He's still training like a beast with some tweaks, provided by Professor Canova, in Iten, Elgeyo Marakwet, Kenya. He also has a stable business there, The Midland Hotel/Restaurant in Central Iten, directly across from the bank.

The Midland cafe is just a small restaurant despite the appellation "hotel" attached. I highly recommend the "Wanders Special" - a smorgasbord of all the essential carbs and veggies after a long run or intense track session.

2 years ago 02/26/2023 5:34am EST

re: Ghost1

Ghost1 wrote:
Julien Viandeurs wrote:
I have to say that i feel fantastic about the fact that Julien Wanders is DONE!
Gives me goosebumps just to think about it!
Julien is not done. He's still training like a beast with some tweaks, provided by Professor Canova, in Iten, Elgeyo Marakwet, Kenya. He also has a stable business there, The Midland Hotel/Restaurant in Central Iten, directly across from the bank.

He's done, finished, retired mentally, kaput.

Just accept it and rejoice with the rest of us!

2 years ago 02/26/2023 5:59am EST

re: Yunaceen

He's the king of the "super-session".

But I think what we're finding (as demonstrated by the many YouTube runners that partake) is the "super-session" results don't last forever.

Apart from obviously being physically taxing, they're also mentally and emotionally taxing (you have to amp yourself up for them), but you don't get the tangible result as you would in a race.

And so, you're seeing guys enter this downward spiral of putting in more and more effort, and receiving less and less reward - until they're psychologically shot before any race even begins.

The problem is compounded by the fact that people put so much emphasis on these single sessions. They seem to think that their race result will be determined by how well the session goes, and so they push them all the more (in order to inflate the result), until they basically become race effort.

2 years ago 02/26/2023 6:41am EST

re: Yunaceen

He's on epo and I have a credible source to back it up.

Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
He's on epo and I have a credible source to back it up.

There's more evidence for you being a moron (your post history) than for him being on epo.

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