The things about this topic posted here and on the lead page of LetsRun make me wonder. It’s a photo touch up. I looked at the article. Neither looks more feminine to me. I am liberal, yes, but I agree that women’s sport cannot have crossovers like this. All well for people to make choices for themselves, their lifestyle. I was so thrilled to see Agee Wilson win a WC 800 now that the event was returned to fairness. But I find the focus here political, not meaningful. The photos are not different enough to matter, standard use of filters, and do nothing to hide the clear masculinity.
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I am Sam wrote:
umstead wrote:
Obviously not edited to show more feminine...it was edited, as any good editor would do, to eliminate the lines and redness from the goggles. My god, right wing fanatics need to calm down. This is someone's job to edit photos, done every day, on every big website and TV service.
The mob needs something every day to get mad about...that's in their DNA
Incredible denial.
The MSM has been caught altering pics to push a point many times.
OJ to Joe Rogan.
And now Lia Thomas
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Why is an article on a photography blog, on a swimmer, on the front page of a running website?
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kiowavt wrote:
The things about this topic posted here and on the lead page of LetsRun make me wonder. It’s a photo touch up. I looked at the article. Neither looks more feminine to me. I am liberal, yes, but I agree that women’s sport cannot have crossovers like this. All well for people to make choices for themselves, their lifestyle. I was so thrilled to see Agee Wilson win a WC 800 now that the event was returned to fairness. But I find the focus here political, not meaningful. The photos are not different enough to matter, standard use of filters, and do nothing to hide the clear masculinity.
This.
These guys don't know how TV works. EVERYTHING is touched up.
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This seriously looks just like the "vivid" filter on my iPhone. Probably the same filter Jared Leto uses in all his pix.
Much ado about nothing.
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I could've sworn this was a running site, not a swimming site, yet this made the top headline on LR's main page.
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kiowavt wrote:
The things about this topic posted here and on the lead page of LetsRun make me wonder. It’s a photo touch up. I looked at the article. Neither looks more feminine to me. I am liberal, yes, but I agree that women’s sport cannot have crossovers like this. All well for people to make choices for themselves, their lifestyle. I was so thrilled to see Agee Wilson win a WC 800 now that the event was returned to fairness. But I find the focus here political, not meaningful. The photos are not different enough to matter, standard use of filters, and do nothing to hide the clear masculinity.
100% agree on everything. I don't think she should have been competing. But this thing about the photos is COMPLETE BS. Slightly filtered photo. Didn't make her/him/them whatever look more feminine at all. What a manufactured BS story/outrage. Get a life people/brojo's!
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News organizations aren't supposed to have "standard use of filters" for the people they are reporting on. They are reporting the news. They are not a beauty channel.
Many news organizations actually prohibit any modification of photos. This shouldn't have happened. NBC is a news organization, not Instagram.
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fkkfkfkfkf wrote:
What percentage of photos that show up in mags/online are not edited? Do you complain about all the photos were woman are brushed to look more femine or just when it is done to a transwoman?
This just seems like one more non-issue for the snowflakes to get upset about
You would mistake a hot coal for a snowflake.
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I am Sam wrote:
Hansel Hadams wrote:
+1. Looks like a simple blur filter. If their intention was to portray a more feminine appearance, it would have required significant manipulation of the original image.
Exactly...how is making it lighter or removing goggle lines more feminine.
These Trumpist morans will complain at anything ...and who says the person that did it was so called 'leftist'?
Look at the eyebrows. The original eyebrows are hairier. That's significant. Please change your name from "I am Sam" to "I am a moran."
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CrispyChicken wrote:
I thought we weren't supposed to talk about women's bodies, or is that rule inapplicable in this instance?
Well, this swimmer is a man, despite bizarre claims to the contrary.
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No Photoshop wrote:
News organizations aren't supposed to have "standard use of filters" for the people they are reporting on. They are reporting the news. They are not a beauty channel.
Many news organizations actually prohibit any modification of photos. This shouldn't have happened. NBC is a news organization, not Instagram.
These sound like fake rules you made up on the spot.
Everything about this looks like false accusations and fake outrage created and then politicized to blame leftists.
I don't know -- is the Today show even considered a "news organization"? It does bring news in part, but also a lot more, like entertainment gossip, recipes, and tips for well-being, etc.
We are talking about filters altering the light, colors, contrast, noise reduction, digital artifacts, etc. -- routine post-processing of digital images -- and not the kind of photoshop manipulation, like when Fox news covered the Seattle protests:
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We are talking about their face, not their body. Buy in case you hadn't noticed, women's appearance is critiqued all the time, constantly.
Anyway, that's a typically male chiselled, elongated jawline and nose in both photos. It's very obvious to me that they were not born female.
I'm a woman, by the way.
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rekrunner wrote:
No Photoshop wrote:
News organizations aren't supposed to have "standard use of filters" for the people they are reporting on. They are reporting the news. They are not a beauty channel.
Many news organizations actually prohibit any modification of photos. This shouldn't have happened. NBC is a news organization, not Instagram.
These sound like fake rules you made up on the spot.
"Many news organizations allow no manipulation of photos or video through Photoshop or other means."
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interesting take wrote:
I could've sworn this was a running site, not a swimming site, yet this made the top headline on LR's main page.
I could have sworn we have a section for non running comments
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NBC has sparked criticism for airing edited photos of transgender University of Pennsylvania swimmer Lia Thomas that softened the athlete’s facial features. The photographer behind one of the photos says she is “surprised and disappointed” at what was done to her original shots.
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Newsroom Guy wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
These sound like fake rules you made up on the spot.
"Many news organizations allow no manipulation of photos or video through Photoshop or other means."
So just two questions remaining:
1) Is "NBC Today" a news organization?
2) Was the photo manipulated unethically?
Your ethics link goes on to say "noise removal" and "color" changes are ethical:
"they allow removal of dust and scratches from an image, or normal toning and white balance adjustment,"
Honestly -- this looks like fake outrage over routine digital post-processing.
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rekrunner wrote:
So just two questions remaining:
1) Is "NBC Today" a news organization?
2) Was the photo manipulated unethically?
Your ethics link goes on to say "noise removal" and "color" changes are ethical:
"they allow removal of dust and scratches from an image, or normal toning and white balance adjustment,"
Honestly -- this looks like fake outrage over routine digital post-processing.
The "Today" show is produced by NBC News, the news division of NBC Universal. NBC News is supposed to be a news show that adheres to journalistic news standards, whereas programs put out by the entertainment division of NBC are not. But in the world of television, the distinction between news and infotainment - and just plain propaganda - has become increasingly blurred in theory and in practice.
Generally speaking, and across all media, exactly what "journalistic news standards" mean and are supposed to mean nowadays is unclear as well.
The issue of whether the "Today" show"tried to soften the facial features of Lia Thomas in these photos aside, NBC News in recent years has put out many, many stories that are clearly biased in favor of allowing males like Lia Thomas to use gender identity claims to compete in girls' and women's sports - and in favor of gender identity ideology more generally.
By failing to provide balanced reporting on this issue, NBC News - and all the other mainstream media like the NY Times - seem to be intentionally trying to ignore and gloss over the elephant in the room - which is the fact that the massive changes in sports, law and life now being demanded in the name of "trans rights" and "inclusivity" mean undermining and rolling back many hard-won rights, policies and provisions that have been put in place to provide fairness, equal opportunity, safety, privacy and dignity for female people.
The other part of the elephant in the room that NBC News and the rest of the MSM seem hellbent on ignoring is the fact that the current-day trans movement is built on regressively sexist sex stereotypes that previous generations of women and men worked hard to reject, and it promotes ideas and actions that are at once male supremacist and homophobic.
About a week ago, NBC News demonstrated just how extremely biased it is on this topic by publishing and publicizing an op-ed piece that likened Lia Thomas to Jackie Robinson and alleged that the intrusion - oops, I meant "inclusion" - of males like Thomas in women's sports should be "celebrated" as a "victory for all women." The piece, by a college professor or someone who "identities as" such, is based on the mistaken premise and assertion that equal rights and fair play for girls and women mean ignoring all the biological differences between the two sexes and treating males and females as if we were physically the same.
The NBC News op-ed is part of a planned-out strategy spelled out in "action plans" and media "talking points" set forth by trans campaign orgs and their advisers that tell advocates to draw parallels between the trans rights movement today and the civil rights movements of previous eras - and to suggest that having separate sports for the two sexes to insure fairness and safety for females is just as morally wrong, indefensible and outdated as the racist policies and practices of the past which unfairly discriminated against black people and excluded blacks from many areas of life such as the MLB.
Following the avalanche of objections online, NBC News changed its headline and edited the op-ed after the fact. The rest of the MSM has avoided all mention of the NBC News piece and the storm around it, so finding out about it means relying on the Daily Mail, conservative news sources or the few places on the internet where feminism that focuses on and centers female people is allowed.
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interesting take wrote:
I could've sworn this was a running site, not a swimming site, yet this made the top headline on LR's main page.
Interestingly, I have not found any of this "photoshop" story on SwimSwam, although they have many stories on Thomas related to her swimming. I wonder why.... (not really).
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RunRagged wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
So just two questions remaining:
1) Is "NBC Today" a news organization?
2) Was the photo manipulated unethically?
Your ethics link goes on to say "noise removal" and "color" changes are ethical:
"they allow removal of dust and scratches from an image, or normal toning and white balance adjustment,"
Honestly -- this looks like fake outrage over routine digital post-processing.
The "Today" show is produced by NBC News, the news division of NBC Universal. NBC News is supposed to be a news show that adheres to journalistic news standards, whereas programs put out by the entertainment division of NBC are not. But in the world of television, the distinction between news and infotainment - and just plain propaganda - has become increasingly blurred in theory and in practice.
Generally speaking, and across all media, exactly what "journalistic news standards" mean and are supposed to mean nowadays is unclear as well.
The issue of whether the "Today" show"tried to soften the facial features of Lia Thomas in these photos aside,
But 1) Today is not NBC News, and 2) removing noise and adjusting color tone and balance is ethical, even by news organization standards.
This looks like another faux-scandal to make conservatives hate the left even more.
This thread isn't about Lia Thomas, but about a photo which was post-processed in a way similar to what many modern TVs do direct from the factory, so I don't want to say anything more about Lia Thomas (in this thread) other than, in my opinion, you cannot be fair to Lia Thomas and fair to other women athletes at the same time, and - as Spock taught me -- the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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