Duke wins the 4x400 to earn a tie with VT for the team title.
Just saw that - Duke was expected to win 4x400, but VT did not do well in shot put or 4x400 for whatever reason and that is where they lost it. But NC St could not catch them - even it Tuohy ran and won 3000 that would get them to 82 (Duke and VT got 86).
Yes but Allie Hayes also didn’t run which could’ve been enough to win if they were both feeling good
Just saw that - Duke was expected to win 4x400, but VT did not do well in shot put or 4x400 for whatever reason and that is where they lost it. But NC St could not catch them - even it Tuohy ran and won 3000 that would get them to 82 (Duke and VT got 86).
Yes but Allie Hayes also didn’t run which could’ve been enough to win if they were both feeling good
If they ran both Tuohy and Hays and if Tuohy and Hays went 1-2 they would have ended up with 1-2-4-8 for 24 points vs they got 2-6-7 for 13 points so if all that happened and VT fell apart as they did it would have been a tie with VT at 86 points, and Duke would have only had 84 as Reinhart would have been 6th in 3,000, not 4th.
mccabe had a 65.8 last lap in her best 3k time at the fast boston track vs pros and tuohy in december
2 months later, after dealing w injuries, tuohy runs for the first time after that 3k race in boston at the 5k acc championship at virginia track .. and kicks to a fast 66.0 last lap, beat the second runner over 10 seconds
She could have anchored the dmr and then ran mile and or 3k today?
Curious, 1500 and 3k she has improved since hs, but not at 5k... so I don't get why she is focused on 5k?
Seemingly better 4 team and her if she ran shorter distances, I don't get it... especially if deaLing with injury....
I have to laugh. While I agree Tuohy right now is the teams best miler, those that say she can't really beat the best in NCAA at the mile *so why is she running the mile?) are probably right as well so maybe they think she is already at the point where she can compete well in the 3000 and 5000. And the way she looked yesterday in the 5000 I would agree. When they ran the DMR qualifier maybe she was not available, and to sub her in later would take her out of the NCAA 3000 for which she had qualified. Unless she ran Thursday and they ran the good time. But I do think they were at least thinking about team points, and not having Chmiel run the 5000. Just my guess.
She could have anchored the dmr and then ran mile and or 3k today?
Curious, 1500 and 3k she has improved since hs, but not at 5k... so I don't get why she is focused on 5k?
Seemingly better 4 team and her if she ran shorter distances, I don't get it... especially if deaLing with injury....
I have to laugh. While I agree Tuohy right now is the teams best miler, those that say she can't really beat the best in NCAA at the mile *so why is she running the mile?) are probably right as well so maybe they think she is already at the point where she can compete well in the 3000 and 5000. And the way she looked yesterday in the 5000 I would agree. When they ran the DMR qualifier maybe she was not available, and to sub her in later would take her out of the NCAA 3000 for which she had qualified. Unless she ran Thursday and they ran the good time. But I do think they were at least thinking about team points, and not having Chmiel run the 5000. Just my guess.
Could you explain that rule? I'm not familiar with all the intricacies there's some rule about substitutions for the d m r?
It could be that it's actually easier to train cardio with an injury than it is to do speed work
But anyway there's a lot of factors with how Runners Peak just look at some of the crappy times put up by Ryan and denner this weekend
They had great races earlier in the season but now they're not running as fast and who knows with Nationals it's the same
Maybe tuohy will actually be fresher for Nationals with how her season has went
I have to laugh. While I agree Tuohy right now is the teams best miler, those that say she can't really beat the best in NCAA at the mile *so why is she running the mile?) are probably right as well so maybe they think she is already at the point where she can compete well in the 3000 and 5000. And the way she looked yesterday in the 5000 I would agree. When they ran the DMR qualifier maybe she was not available, and to sub her in later would take her out of the NCAA 3000 for which she had qualified. Unless she ran Thursday and they ran the good time. But I do think they were at least thinking about team points, and not having Chmiel run the 5000. Just my guess.
Could you explain that rule? I'm not familiar with all the intricacies there's some rule about substitutions for the d m r?
It could be that it's actually easier to train cardio with an injury than it is to do speed work
But anyway there's a lot of factors with how Runners Peak just look at some of the crappy times put up by Ryan and denner this weekend
They had great races earlier in the season but now they're not running as fast and who knows with Nationals it's the same
Maybe tuohy will actually be fresher for Nationals with how her season has went
From the manual - relay policy
1. Only one qualified relay team per institution may be declared. That relay team’s performance will be used for selection and seeding purposes. All other teams on the descending order list from that institution must be scratched. 2. The relay alternates must be declared separately and not later than the timeline noted in the participant manual and selection memo. A relay alternate is a student-athlete not already in the Championships in any event. See Rule 7-7.2 for further information on relay replacement policies. 3. The four members of the relay team who actually competed and earned a qualifying position will be the ‘declared’ relay team for that institution and will be the only individuals for which NCAA championship travel reimbursement will be provided. NCAA travel reimbursement will not be provided to relay alternates, even if they compete in the championship. 4. An athlete on a declared relay who is replaced with a relay alternate or substitute may still compete in any event(s), at any time, in which they had previously been accepted into the meet.
So the way I read it you can't sub Tuohy onto the relay if she is running another event.
Maybe tuohy will actually be fresher for Nationals with how her season has went
her 5k race was so impressive for many reasons, that i just want to watch her race again, excited for the nationals, and i hope that she wont get sick (like last year) and hoping that all goes well so that she can race to her full ability and potential
mccabe had a 65.8 last lap in her best 3k time at the fast boston track vs pros and tuohy in december
2 months later, after dealing w injuries, tuohy runs for the first time after that 3k race in boston at the 5k acc championship at virginia track .. and kicks to a fast 66.0 last lap, beat the second runner over 10 seconds
Fair, Tuohy's kick is improving and it's hard to know if McCabe's 4:38.99 mile earlier today was a back-from-illness rustbuster (Covid hit some members of the WVU squad in Jan) or speed sharpening for longer races coming up. Let's hope they're both healthy and in the same event soon.
Could you explain that rule? I'm not familiar with all the intricacies there's some rule about substitutions for the d m r?
It could be that it's actually easier to train cardio with an injury than it is to do speed work
But anyway there's a lot of factors with how Runners Peak just look at some of the crappy times put up by Ryan and denner this weekend
They had great races earlier in the season but now they're not running as fast and who knows with Nationals it's the same
Maybe tuohy will actually be fresher for Nationals with how her season has went
From the manual - relay policy
1. Only one qualified relay team per institution may be declared. That relay team’s performance will be used for selection and seeding purposes. All other teams on the descending order list from that institution must be scratched. 2. The relay alternates must be declared separately and not later than the timeline noted in the participant manual and selection memo. A relay alternate is a student-athlete not already in the Championships in any event. See Rule 7-7.2 for further information on relay replacement policies. 3. The four members of the relay team who actually competed and earned a qualifying position will be the ‘declared’ relay team for that institution and will be the only individuals for which NCAA championship travel reimbursement will be provided. NCAA travel reimbursement will not be provided to relay alternates, even if they compete in the championship. 4. An athlete on a declared relay who is replaced with a relay alternate or substitute may still compete in any event(s), at any time, in which they had previously been accepted into the meet.
So the way I read it you can't sub Tuohy onto the relay if she is running another event.
No. Teams can name up to 4 alternates which consist of athletes that did not qualify in any other event.
Teams can replace any/all of the 4 legs with any athlete on the team that is already entered in the meet in another event.
If an athlete that is on the qualified relay is replaced, they can still compete in other events.
1. Only one qualified relay team per institution may be declared. That relay team’s performance will be used for selection and seeding purposes. All other teams on the descending order list from that institution must be scratched. 2. The relay alternates must be declared separately and not later than the timeline noted in the participant manual and selection memo. A relay alternate is a student-athlete not already in the Championships in any event. See Rule 7-7.2 for further information on relay replacement policies. 3. The four members of the relay team who actually competed and earned a qualifying position will be the ‘declared’ relay team for that institution and will be the only individuals for which NCAA championship travel reimbursement will be provided. NCAA travel reimbursement will not be provided to relay alternates, even if they compete in the championship. 4. An athlete on a declared relay who is replaced with a relay alternate or substitute may still compete in any event(s), at any time, in which they had previously been accepted into the meet.
So the way I read it you can't sub Tuohy onto the relay if she is running another event.
No. Teams can name up to 4 alternates which consist of athletes that did not qualify in any other event.
Teams can replace any/all of the 4 legs with any athlete on the team that is already entered in the meet in another event.
If an athlete that is on the qualified relay is replaced, they can still compete in other events.
yea I just saw that in another section - it seems loose enough to allow it though it might be intended for injury substitution..........
So you can be a substitute, but not an alternate??? Very strange. I guess for a 4x400 you would want to have an alternate 400 m runner rather than be stuck with substituting a miler upon an injury....
The 2022 manual spells it out a little more than 2021
1. Only one qualified relay team per institution may be declared. That relay team’s declared performance mark will be used for selection and seeding purposes. All other teams on the descending order list from that institution must be scratched. 2. A relay replacement is an institution’s student-athlete already accepted into the Championships in either an individual event and/or a relay event (Rule 7-7-2). 3. A maximum of four (4) relay alternates may be declared separately, but not later than the close of packet pick-up at the Championships. A relay alternate is a student-athlete not already in the Championships in any event. 4. The four (4) members of the relay team who actually competed and earned a qualifying position will be the ‘declared’ relay team for that institution and will be the only individuals for which NCAA Championship travel reimbursement will be provided. NCAA travel reimbursement will not be provided to relay alternates, even if they compete in the Championship. 5. An athlete on a declared relay who is replaced with a relay alternate or substitute may still compete in any event(s), at any time, in which they had previously been accepted into the meet
Rule 7
SECTION 7. Relays Relay Racing ARTICLE 1. Four unique competitors constitute a relay team, each of whom (except in shuttle relays) carries a baton. Relay Substitution ARTICLE 2. Any eligible student-athlete who is a member of an institution’s team is eligible to participate as a member of an institution’s relay team at any time during a competition.
Thanks for putting these rules up. After reading 3 times, it appears humorously that this is more about travel and food costs than who can race, lol. Appears school could run whole team of subs/alternates, but travel only reimbursed for actual qualifiers.
I think Henes tries to keep as many kids as possible involved. I'm doubtful Tuohy is race sharp at 1200-1600 right now and it's pretty much a wash between Bush, Shaw, Chmiel, Tuohy at 1200-1600. While Bush actually has the best speed, they all share the same weakness of not being able to close. (In form Tuohy might offer 4:29 off last spring's 4:12 1500).
My guess is they run Vess, Bush, Shaw in dmr, and let Chmiel and Tuohy focus on individual 5k and 3k,. Bush can come back in the 3k too and of course Hays is in 5k also.
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