I seem to remember reading an article recently that laid out how women gain advantages in ultra distances. Said differently, the inherent advantages of male athletes dissipate the longer the distance.
That article is BS, ongoing propaganda since the '80s as women started doing longer events and of course broke records more often.: ultra M/W records show otherwise. Women sprinters have better comparative marks against men than in marathons and ultras.
A better comparitor against Ann Treason is Courtney Dauwalter.
I suspect that a slightly rolling course would be better for a 100 due to varying the impact on legs. Just a guess since I have not gone over 50K.
Aren't the mens vs womens winning times closer, the longer the race is?
That article is BS, ongoing propaganda since the '80s as women started doing longer events and of course broke records more often.: ultra M/W records show otherwise. Women sprinters have better comparative marks against men than in marathons and ultras.
A better comparitor against Ann Treason is Courtney Dauwalter.
I suspect that a slightly rolling course would be better for a 100 due to varying the impact on legs. Just a guess since I have not gone over 50K.
Aren't the mens vs womens winning times closer, the longer the race is?
Not that I know of.
For the most part women times are a lot worse since there was never much of a competitive field in women ultrarunning. Not that is that big when it comes to men.
this ultra stuff would be more interesting if it was open-course point A to point B style. Put them at point A, tell them to run to point B by whatever route they choose. Make sure there's at least a few fairly equal courses they could take.
this ultra stuff would be more interesting if it was open-course point A to point B style. Put them at point A, tell them to run to point B by whatever route they choose. Make sure there's at least a few fairly equal courses they could take.
Some of the mountain races are more or less like this...there are multiple points you have to hit, but you choose your own route. There is also adventure racing, which gives runners a choice of how they want to cover the distance, usually over unforgiving terrain. Of course they usually combine other disciplines (swimming, paddling, mountain biking, etc)
100m record differential is 9% 100 mile diff is 13%
Keep in mind that the 100 mile distance was never raced ever in road or track races. That people go for that is a very new phenomenon. The Jackpot 100 might be the only competitive road race right now.
100m record differential is 9% 100 mile diff is 13%
Keep in mind that the 100 mile distance was never raced ever in road or track races. That people go for that is a very new phenomenon. The Jackpot 100 might be the only competitive road race right now.
The only legit distances are 100k and 24 hours.
24 hour record (also Camille's) is 12% slower for women. Marathon is 10%
Could you link some sources for this? Genuinely curious. Also, how would you explain Courtney Dawaulter's 7th place overall finish at UTMB this summer? To me such a high finish shows that there is much less of a gap since women would not finish nearly that high in any event from marathon down. Females still only represent about 35% of ultra runners in races so the overall talent pool to draw from is smaller.
Could you link some sources for this? Genuinely curious. Also, how would you explain Courtney Dawaulter's 7th place overall finish at UTMB this summer? To me such a high finish shows that there is much less of a gap since women would not finish nearly that high in any event from marathon down. Females still only represent about 35% of ultra runners in races so the overall talent pool to draw from is smaller.
The UTMB is not a road race. Courtney Dauwalter is an exceptional good athlete and she uses her knowledge very well to end up so high in the men's rankings. Races like UTMB are have a high attrition rate because of weather and trail conditions. Percentage numbers will be quite misleading for these kind of races.
Also, how would you explain Courtney Dawaulter's 7th place overall finish at UTMB this summer? To me such a high finish shows that there is much less of a gap since women would not finish nearly that high in any event from marathon down. Females still only represent about 35% of ultra runners in races so the overall talent pool to draw from is smaller.
Courtney's UTMB record is about 11% slower than the men's equivalent (by Pau Capell) so it seems roughly in line with other events.
You could just look up the relevant data and do the calculations. I was skeptical of the comment about 13% difference at 100 miles, so I did just that, and the number is correct (11:14:56 for men vs. 12:41:11 for women).
And Courtney's high placing, just like Camille's overall win at the 100-mile US National Championship, is the expected result when an excellent female runner goes up against "merely" very good male runners. Female overall victories happen more often, I'd guess, in ultramarathons simply because of the leaner fields.
Also, how would you explain Courtney Dawaulter's 7th place overall finish at UTMB this summer? To me such a high finish shows that there is much less of a gap since women would not finish nearly that high in any event from marathon down. Females still only represent about 35% of ultra runners in races so the overall talent pool to draw from is smaller.
Courtney's UTMB record is about 11% slower than the men's equivalent (by Pau Capell) so it seems roughly in line with other events.
Don't forget that Courtney has males to compete with the entire way, like when Paula ran 2:15 in a mixed race (which was de-sanctioned later for record purposes because of it). And Camille has plenty of company on those small loops as well.
Keep in mind that the 100 mile distance was never raced ever in road or track races. That people go for that is a very new phenomenon. The Jackpot 100 might be the only competitive road race right now.
The only legit distances are 100k and 24 hours.
24 hour record (also Camille's) is 12% slower for women. Marathon is 10%
Comrades records are different by 11.5% (down) and 10% (up)
You could just look up the relevant data and do the calculations. I was skeptical of the comment about 13% difference at 100 miles, so I did just that, and the number is correct (11:14:56 for men vs. 12:41:11 for women).
And Courtney's high placing, just like Camille's overall win at the 100-mile US National Championship, is the expected result when an excellent female runner goes up against "merely" very good male runners. Female overall victories happen more often, I'd guess, in ultramarathons simply because of the leaner fields.
No, the 100 mile world record for men was reset to 10:51:39 earlier this year already, and the difference is 16.8%.
Who downvoted me posting as skicrosscountry when I said "No" to "mens vs womens winning times closer, the longer the race is?"? There is no such trend. It's easy to keep a spreadsheet updated on this:
No, the 100 mile world record for men was reset to 10:51:39 earlier this year already, and the difference is 16.8%.
Who downvoted me posting as skicrosscountry when I said "No" to "mens vs womens winning times closer, the longer the race is?"? There is no such trend. It's easy to keep a spreadsheet updated on this:
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