Probably not after just one insane race but why bring up drugs, I would be very surprised if anyone in the group was on drugs.
Since the BTC currently list Shelby on their team website's roster and has barely, if not at all, distanced themselves from her, it is very easy to say that at least one member of the team is on drugs.
Grant Fisher is the topic for this thread and now the drug accusation has been stated and refutted we can go back to the original subject:. American Records.
What time will Grant run for the 10000m the first week of March?
Grant FISHER is operating in another level and his 12:53.73 was just a SMALL indicator of what level he is on now. The TWO biggest indicators was:
2.) The last 2km spilt of 4:57 which is sub 12:30 pace for the last 40 percent of the race.
1.) THE BIGGEST indicator is the interview after the race. His two teammates looked for him to dictate the interview and it wasn't because he won. That comes from becoming the fastest/strongest person in the training group day in day out. Look how silver medalist Mo Ahmed shakes his head numerous times after Grant answer question. THEY are a tight group but the chemistry of that interview shows Grant is the top athlete in the group.
Don't believe me just wait and see the results in 2022...he stay healthy and Mo Ahmed will not be finishing ahead of Grant too many times.
LET'S RUN contact Jerry Schumacher and I guarantee he confirms the new REGULAR leader of their workouts is Grant. Now we just wait and see how many medals and American Records he breaks in the next few years if he stays healthy. Heck he may even break 1 or 2 world records just ask MO AHMED what he thinks!
Such nonsense. Grant Fisher will NEVER set any world records. You always jump on the bandwagon after a great performance and act like you have a crystal ball. You do it all the time. Grant is good but he is not as good as you think. 12:53 indoors is not what it used to be. Grant is great but he would not finish in the top 10 in World Cross Country.
When you think about it shouldn’t be that surprising. Like Mo said in the interview Grant ran a 3:59 mile in high school after being a soccer player part time runner. He didn’t run much mileage in high school and although in college he increased mileage still not huge mileage. He has just been layering his training at every level. Now he is almost 2.5 years into Jerry’s training and he said got his ass kicked the first year he has adapted to the training. Talent plus hard work, staying healthy and proper nutrition and strength training. Look forward to what he can do over the next several years. I hope he stays healthy
I think I clearly said within the next few years possibly to challenge world records. Several records now and days are set by athletes who emerge on the scene with medal potential and then they have sliced nice chunks of time of their personal best to obtain the world record.
Grant could be one such athlete. Anyone know if he going for the 10000n AR or just sub 27 in March?
Fine, let me rephrase myself for clarity:
The ARs all seem conceivable but to think, at this point, that he will ever beat 7:24.9 or especially 12:35 is nutty.
BTW, I haven’t gotten over the time I challenged you to wager on your insistence that Mu will break 4 for 1500 and you proceeded to call me scared for using an anonymous handle, even though I was posting under this very much registered one—and then when I provided all my personal info short of my SSN you just went MIA.
Thanks for the correction but the corrected spilt for the last 2000m is still sub 12:30 pace The dynamics of his teammates during the interview let me know he is now killing their workouts. If he TRULY stays 100 percent healthy he will challenge all the American Records from 3000m to 10000m and maybe WORLD RECORDS in the 2000m indoors, 3000m indoors, and 5000m indoors and outdoors over the next few years.
Youre putting way to much emphasis on the interview, he is the main guy in the situation because he won the race, not because of how good he is at workouts compared to the others.
Thanks for the correction but the corrected spilt for the last 2000m is still sub 12:30 pace The dynamics of his teammates during the interview let me know he is now killing their workouts. If he TRULY stays 100 percent healthy he will challenge all the American Records from 3000m to 10000m and maybe WORLD RECORDS in the 2000m indoors, 3000m indoors, and 5000m indoors and outdoors over the next few years.
Youre putting way to much emphasis on the interview, he is the main guy in the situation because he won the race, not because of how good he is at workouts compared to the others.
That's your opinion and I stated mine. What will you say when when Grant finishes ahead of Mo in more races then he loses to him in 2022. I'm pretty sure if you ask their coach he would say Grant is consistently leading the workouts this training year compared to last year.
I think I clearly said within the next few years possibly to challenge world records. Several records now and days are set by athletes who emerge on the scene with medal potential and then they have sliced nice chunks of time of their personal best to obtain the world record.
Grant could be one such athlete. Anyone know if he going for the 10000n AR or just sub 27 in March?
Fine, let me rephrase myself for clarity:
The ARs all seem conceivable but to think, at this point, that he will ever beat 7:24.9 or especially 12:35 is nutty.
BTW, I haven’t gotten over the time I challenged you to wager on your insistence that Mu will break 4 for 1500 and you proceeded to call me scared for using an anonymous handle, even though I was posting under this very much registered one—and then when I provided all my personal info short of my SSN you just went MIA.
Sir how are you going to challenge me concerning Athing breaking 4 minutes when her career is far from over (I never said this year and I definitely didn't say her next race). Don't you have anything better to do then inciting conflict?
How can you say Grant will never beat a 7:24i or 12:37 guy. When Almaz Ayana personal for 3000m and 5000m were slower then Genzebe Dibaba's and she beat her by going out at a decent pace and increasing the pace til she dropped everyone. Isn't that the same tactic Grant just employed in his first race? Let's see if he continues and how good he employs it if that's his new tactic?
The ARs all seem conceivable but to think, at this point, that he will ever beat 7:24.9 or especially 12:35 is nutty.
BTW, I haven’t gotten over the time I challenged you to wager on your insistence that Mu will break 4 for 1500 and you proceeded to call me scared for using an anonymous handle, even though I was posting under this very much registered one—and then when I provided all my personal info short of my SSN you just went MIA.
Sir how are you going to challenge me concerning Athing breaking 4 minutes when her career is far from over (I never said this year and I definitely didn't say her next race). Don't you have anything better to do then inciting conflict?
How can you say Grant will never beat a 7:24i or 12:37 guy. When Almaz Ayana personal for 3000m and 5000m were slower then Genzebe Dibaba's and she beat her by going out at a decent pace and increasing the pace til she dropped everyone. Isn't that the same tactic Grant just employed in his first race? Let's see if he continues and how good he employs it if that's his new tactic?
The issue is that JWH has better judgment than you VIPAM. Grant will NEVER break world records because if he runs 12:34 then the world record will be something like 12:22. The technology is making it more difficult to judge performances in relation to previous generations but Grant will likely never be the best runner in the world. Grant is great and we should celebrate what he has done and he probably can set more US records. That is the intelligent perspective and any other opinion is ridiculous.
At this point, there's no doubt that Grant Fisher is in shape to break every American outdoor record from 3000 to 10000m. Closing in 4:59, he ran his last 2k at American record pace for the 3k (7:29 outdoors, 7:30.16i). So, he can certainly go under 7:29. 7:25-26 would not surprise me after this. And he may run 12:45 and 26:40s outdoors even if the BU track is a trampoline.
Ya everyone is talking about how he ran 4:59 for the last 2k, but maybe more impressive is his last 3k was 7:38.8... He ran the US leading 3k during his 5k. If he can run a 5:15 2k to start the race followed by a 7:38 3k then he should be sub 7:30 for a fresh 3k without that 5:15 2k immediately before it.
I think Grant conservatively may be capable of with good pacing/conditions: -Sub 7:28 3,000 -Sub 12:50 5,000 -Sub 26:40 10,000
Don't even think we need to see a huge jump in fitness. These seem like monster marks (and they are), but if we're comparing to Barega say I'd pin him as good for 7:24/12:35/26:29. Cheptegei we've obviously seen the top-end to some degree.
At this point, there's no doubt that Grant Fisher is in shape to break every American outdoor record from 3000 to 10000m. Closing in 4:59, he ran his last 2k at American record pace for the 3k (7:29 outdoors, 7:30.16i). So, he can certainly go under 7:29. 7:25-26 would not surprise me after this. And he may run 12:45 and 26:40s outdoors even if the BU track is a trampoline.
Ya everyone is talking about how he ran 4:59 for the last 2k, but maybe more impressive is his last 3k was 7:38.8... He ran the US leading 3k during his 5k. If he can run a 5:15 2k to start the race followed by a 7:38 3k then he should be sub 7:30 for a fresh 3k without that 5:15 2k immediately before it.
I’m honestly not trying to be a hater, but a realist, and I don’t agree that his 7:38.8 final 3k is a more impressive stat than his 4:59.9 last 2k. It means he ran the middle K at 13:14.5 pace, which probably feels pretty comfortable for a guy in sub-12:50/26:40 shape, and allowed him to close so impressively from there.
I think people generally exaggerate the effects of leveling out a runner’s splits. I know he’s capable of a faster 5k, but probably not by as much as many people believe.
By the way, he didn’t split a U.S. leading 3k for his last 3k, not quite. Nuguse ran 7:38.1 earlier in the evening.
I do agree he could probably eek out a sub-7:30 3k, which is obviously fantastic.
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