Grant Fisher, Mo Ahmed and Marc Scott all made history tonight in Boston as they broke the American, Canadian and British indoor 5000 records. Fisher ran 12:...
All three Bowerman 5ks this weekend were BIG negative splits and very successful in doing so. Do we think that Jerry has specifically trained his athletes to thrive off this type of pacing setup? Would they do just as well in races that play out differently? OR has some advanced Nike research found that in general it is most advantageous to negative split when looking for a fast 5k time, regardless of the athlete? In the past, most record setting distance races have been paced a lot more evenly than this. Will record attempts begin to trend more towards a big negative split? I wonder if Nike and BTC have figured something out before anyone else has.
No, even pacing will always be the best strategy when going for a PR.
Someone should edit the title of the thread. 4:59.9 for the last 2k.
Yes, my bad. I somehow remembered the 3k split for the heat that went first, which was 7:56. It was 7:53 for Fisher's heat. He must have felt super relaxed at that point to drop such a monstrous last 10 laps...
this guy dropped a last mile time that many of our elite mile runners are having issues hitting indoors other than hocker and teare
he beat his mile pr in the 5k
hes only 2 seconds off DANIEL KOMEN'S best indoor time (probably the most shocking fact to me). Daniel Komen was a legit freak alien
Simply stunned by this. Even with doping. Stunned.
It’s a little too much. His run tonight was at a Bekele or Geb level and he should have been capable of 8:20 in HS to have been on this path. I don’t at all believe he’s a doper. Are there new shoes on the track comparable to what’s being used for the HM?
I want so badly to be excited but the way this team is running and we are all pretending like they didn’t have a teammate get busted. Makes me sad but I want to be exited but I’m not.
What a great interview and what a great person. Honestly, Fisher is such a pleasure to watch. He’s so smart and so self effacing. I remember how classy he was with Chelimo during the trials even after “the drift.” It seems Fisher may turn out to be the face of American distance running for the next few years and for me that would be a great outcome. It’s really easy to be his fan.
this guy dropped a last mile time that many of our elite mile runners are having issues hitting indoors other than hocker and teare
he beat his mile pr in the 5k
hes only 2 seconds off DANIEL KOMEN'S best indoor time (probably the most shocking fact to me). Daniel Komen was a legit freak alien
Simply stunned by this. Even with doping. Stunned.
It’s a little too much. His run tonight was at a Bekele or Geb level and he should have been capable of 8:20 in HS to have been on this path. I don’t at all believe he’s a doper. Are there new shoes on the track comparable to what’s being used for the HM?
It’s a new age. Fisher is clean, I’ll bet anything, but the shoes and the tracks are juiced. Fisher in his typical honest fashion admitted as much. Fisher is awesome, a joy to watch, but let’s not kid ourselves. If Cheptegei was running tonight he might have run 12:30. That’s not a knock on Fisher, just reality.
this guy dropped a last mile time that many of our elite mile runners are having issues hitting indoors other than hocker and teare
he beat his mile pr in the 5k
hes only 2 seconds off DANIEL KOMEN'S best indoor time (probably the most shocking fact to me). Daniel Komen was a legit freak alien
Simply stunned by this. Even with doping. Stunned.
It’s a little too much. His run tonight was at a Bekele or Geb level and he should have been capable of 8:20 in HS to have been on this path. I don’t at all believe he’s a doper. Are there new shoes on the track comparable to what’s being used for the HM?
Ive always sort of held the east africans to a different standard. I got excited when ritz went sub 13, when solinsky went sub 27, during alan webb's AR.....but I knew deep down this was childs play compared to the africans. At best, I expected the US to remain far back in terms of PRs and hope for a lucky medal or two in the olympics due to tactics/weather. Figured this would never change.
now, we potentially have an american that isn't an african immigrant running bekele, komen, geb like times?
In a 5k you’re looking at the spikes helping you 5-8 seconds maybe. Cheptegei ran 12:35 for his world record worse conditions (high 70+ dew point, maybe not windy but more wind than none). Yes Cheptegei at his best can run in the 12:30s indoors. It will be interesting to see if Fisher is narrowing the gap enough to medal in the 5/10K however.
If you want to talk Bekele yes you’d have to imagine with the super spikes he’d run low 12:30s in his prime.
In a 5k you’re looking at the spikes helping you 5-8 seconds maybe. Cheptegei ran 12:35 for his world record worse conditions (high 70+ dew point, maybe not windy but more wind than none). Yes Cheptegei at his best can run in the 12:30s indoors. It will be interesting to see if Fisher is narrowing the gap enough to medal in the 5/10K however.
If you want to talk Bekele yes you’d have to imagine with the super spikes he’d run low 12:30s in his prime.
Not sure where Ahmed was with his fitness and maybe he’s simply too long to feel comfortable indoors, but Fisher beating him handily today makes me think Fisher is going to be for real and he a true medal threat, but then I look at all the times coming from this meet and this track and I’m thinking the track is worth another 5-7 seconds as compared to a standard outdoor and so Fisher is back again battling it out for 5-8th place right around 13 min. I think we have arrived in the era where indoor distance times will be consistently faster than outdoors at a given level of fitness and point in the season.
It’s a little too much. His run tonight was at a Bekele or Geb level and he should have been capable of 8:20 in HS to have been on this path. I don’t at all believe he’s a doper. Are there new shoes on the track comparable to what’s being used for the HM?
Ive always sort of held the east africans to a different standard. I got excited when ritz went sub 13, when solinsky went sub 27, during alan webb's AR.....but I knew deep down this was childs play compared to the africans. At best, I expected the US to remain far back in terms of PRs and hope for a lucky medal or two in the olympics due to tactics/weather. Figured this would never change.
now, we potentially have an american that isn't an african immigrant running bekele, komen, geb like times?
im stunned.
Perhaps that was part of the problem. Learned helplessness. We can’t compete at that level so why even try. Everyone is genetically superior and on peds, we’re not good enough.
Even Grants post race interview. He didn’t think he would run that fast and thinks the track helped his time. Jerry needs to get in his head and get him to BELIEVE IN HIMSELF!
It’s a little too much. His run tonight was at a Bekele or Geb level and he should have been capable of 8:20 in HS to have been on this path. I don’t at all believe he’s a doper. Are there new shoes on the track comparable to what’s being used for the HM?
It’s a new age. Fisher is clean, I’ll bet anything, but the shoes and the tracks are juiced. Fisher in his typical honest fashion admitted as much. Fisher is awesome, a joy to watch, but let’s not kid ourselves. If Cheptegei was running tonight he might have run 12:30. That’s not a knock on Fisher, just reality.
Cheptegei lost to Ahmed badly just 7 months ago in Italy. Fisher just beat Ahmed.
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