Not that impressive. Her group do more "fake" races than proper races even when they aren't banned.
Not that impressive. Her group do more "fake" races than proper races even when they aren't banned.
Dingler wrote:
holterskolter2 wrote:
If that is true, you're working 40 hours a week, plus spending a minimum of 3 to 4 hours a day on running, plus getting 8 to 9 hours of sleep. When you add in meals, you are completely booked for about 22 to 23 hours of the day.. You don't spend any time with your family, dont do any hobbies, maybe you have time for a bit of Netflix after dinner before you head to bed.
And you're still not at the inconvenience level of a pro runner, since you don't have to travel around the work to meets at times that may or may not he convenient in the rest of your life.
I agree some people do love the pro runner life. But some want to spend time with their family, etc.
There are many 2:15-2:18 marathoners doing exactly this.
Not the person you're replying to but I work FT (35h/week). Prior to 2020 (I WFH some now), I would typically do all my easy runs as a run-commute and/or run on my lunch break. This way, the time footprint of my running is much reduced or even eliminated. The base amount of time it takes for me to run to work is only about 5 minutes longer than driving once you factor in looking for parking, so running is essentially "free" unless I do an add-on to add volume. I usually eat alone in my office anyways so no social loss to running at lunch. I typically aim to run 70-90 minutes a day on off-days.
On a day I run commute, I would leave at 8:20 to get to work at 9. I then skip my unpaid lunch break (eat in office while working), leave work at 4. I do an add-on to on the way back to get some more volume, and get home a bit after 5. I usually do core or strength when I get home (have home gym equipment), so maybe that adds another 10-15 minutes. So worst case, 5:30 PM. I usually batch cook meals on the weekend so all I have to do is heat up my leftovers. That leaves me quite a lot of time to do stuff.
If I'm working out with a group, that eats a bit more time but that's only 2x a week and one is on the weekend. I train at a fairly high level. I don't have kids, but I know people like me who do. They do more of their runs on the treadmill or early AM before work to make sure someone is always home with them.
It's extremely do-able for someone to train a lot while working FT (within reason) and not be a total loser/robot. It's all about planning/orienting your life so that's possible. Admittedly my training would be a bit more optimal if I worked more like 20h/week, but I don't think it makes a huge difference in terms of what I would do. Maybe if I had a carte blanche of unlimited funds and time I would invest in getting pre-hab physio/massage work done, do a bit more strength/weights, and go do some altitude training camps.
ZillaGod wrote:
Disgusting behavior. People of color have been incarcerated for lesser crimes.
There are people who aren't "of color"? Where are these clear people?
ohteesee wrote:
coachy wrote:
Being an elite athlete is literally the easiest profession there is. Many of us are putting in as much time in the sport as they are while holding down a 9 to 5. I can’t stand it when pro athletes complain about their lives. They get to do our hobby for their job and get paid well for it.
1) not paid well
2) typically no medical insurance
3) workouts SIGNIFICANTLY different than what you do- both in intensity and duration
4) hours of prehab
5) please give an example of you giving “as much time to the sport” as a typical pro.
1. Not necessarily true - you can make a very comfortable salary as a pro runner, especially in the US. Tons of random distance guys/girls will never come close to making a major US team and still have decent enough contracts so they are able to train full time. Most of TME, Hoka, NAZ, Brooks Beasts etc..
Plus you have plenty of time for a part time job
2. idk
3. Nah, training is similair. The stuff the pros do is out there, it's harder but nothing significantly different than top collegiate / sub elite runners. Think 110 mpw vs 90 mpw, workouts that are a bit harder, maybe a rep or two longer but nothing crazy.
4. lmao , a couple hours a week maybe.
5. I know some pro athletes, the big difference is the travel for training camps. Otherwise, a full time office worker can do the same schedule as a pro, ie: doubles 5-6 days of the week, 2 hard sessions during the week in the evening, and a longer run on the weekend. Worker does the short AM runs before work / at lunch and runs again in the evening. The big difference is that the pro can recover better during the day, ie: play video games/watch netflix.
Pro running is a dream lifestyle, and is definitely not hard lol ...
Unfortunately none of you can cancel her..... How does that bile taste guys?
#FreeShelby
guess it makes sense that I can't see them wrote:
ZillaGod wrote:
Disgusting behavior. People of color have been incarcerated for lesser crimes.
There are people who aren't "of color"? Where are these clear people?
I don't get the purpose of your post. I assume you know what the commonly used term "people of color" means, and who it includes and excludes. So you just thought my post was a spot to start some kind of semantic debate about the adequacy and descriptiveness of the term "people of color"?
coachy wrote:
holterskolter2 wrote:
Dopers are always dedicated to the sport. That is why they're willing to risk their health and reputation by taking drugs.
But all elite athletes are dedicated to the sport. She isn't special in that regard. Being an elite distance runner is a crappy life. You're traveling a lot, but not for vacation. You're planning all your days around your workouts. You're watching what you eat religiously. You're not up late partying. You're putting a future traditional career on hold.
So yeah, admire her dedication, exactly like every other elite runner. But some of them choose integrity. She didn't.
Being an elite athlete is literally the easiest profession there is. Many of us are putting in as much time in the sport as they are while holding down a 9 to 5. I can’t stand it when pro athletes complain about their lives. They get to do our hobby for their job and get paid well for it.
Exactly what pros are complaining about there lives? I hear people say this, but have literally never heard a pro runner complain about their life.
4:03 isn't bad...was she relaxed?
On the other hand the top ladies are at least 10 seconds faster.
She could run the world record and I wouldn’t care. Anyone from Jerry’s group is forever tainted. Major bummer for USA running.
If she is not in the drug testing pool for out of competition athletes then this time must be suspect based on her current doping sanction.
The Dark Passenger wrote:
Unfortunately none of you can cancel her..... How does that bile taste guys?
#FreeShelby
Fortunately we don’t have to because she already cancelled herself by cheating. LOL
fbsjsjdbe wrote:
High hopes wrote:
It will take a lot of dedication to keep this going for three more years without any competition
Some people just love to train. The lifestyle is actually incredible. You run, do some sore then get to do nothing all day long.
Yeah, I'd love it too, if I was remotely good enough to be a pro runner. But is she still getting paid like a pro runner? It wasn't long ago that she was pleading poverty, talking about becoming a deliveroo driver and asking people to pay her legal bills because she couldn't afford it. Will Nike really pay her to train for another three years? It's not like she's Justin Gatlin, an Olympic gold medallist. Houlihan will be lucky to be competing in the top 10 in three years time. I suppose she could be doing training alongside a job, others do it, but they're mainly marathon runners
How do you manage showering before work when you get there at 9? Extra clothing to wear for work? And how about carrying food?
WhiteCollarHero wrote:
On a day I run commute, I would leave at 8:20 to get to work at 9. I then skip my unpaid lunch break (eat in office while working), leave work at 4. I do an add-on to on the way back to get some more volume, and get home a bit after 5. I usually do core or strength when I get home (have home gym equipment), so maybe that adds another 10-15 minutes. So worst case, 5:30 PM. I usually batch cook meals on the weekend so all I have to do is heat up my leftovers. That leaves me quite a lot of time to do stuff.
The Dark Passenger wrote:
Unfortunately none of you can cancel her..... How does that bile taste guys?
#FreeShelby
10/10
More burritos wrote:
Is she still being tested? What are the rules? I'd be loading up on the sauce if I had a 4 year window from competition.
Why? So you could dominate in all-comers meets? No running accomplishments during her ban will count for anything. If I was her, I would focus on putting in the mileage and rarely run any TTs on the track.
Lance Armstrong is banned for life. He still trains and does triathlons now. I'm not impressed. If she moves on and moves up in distance. Returns to running to compete at the marathon I will be impressed.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
More burritos wrote:
Is she still being tested? What are the rules? I'd be loading up on the sauce if I had a 4 year window from competition.
Why? So you could dominate in all-comers meets? No running accomplishments during her ban will count for anything. If I was her, I would focus on putting in the mileage and rarely run any TTs on the track.
There are lingering benefits from doping even after you stop doing it
RIrunnerz wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Why? So you could dominate in all-comers meets? No running accomplishments during her ban will count for anything. If I was her, I would focus on putting in the mileage and rarely run any TTs on the track.
There are lingering benefits from doping even after you stop doing it
Yes, banned athletes are still subject to testing. IIRC USADA tested her a dozen or so times last year even though she was banned.
guess it makes sense that I can't see them wrote:
ZillaGod wrote:
Disgusting behavior. People of color have been incarcerated for lesser crimes.
There are people who aren't "of color"? Where are these clear people?
Yes. Somehow, according to some who usually make a huge deal out of race, white is no longer a color.
I've got to hand it to Shelby. I love how she is constantly triggering all of you that for some reason feel she shouldn't be allowed to exercise for 4 years during her ban (by the way I will argue until the end of time the ban sh ould be reduced to at most 3 years as you shouldn't miss two Olympics with one ban).
Maybe I should sponsor her and broadcast her time trials live on Letsrun just to see everyone go crazy.