Artists who care about Freedom need to threaten to pull their work if Spotify Censors Joe Rogan

surveysays wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

It is illegal for the state to pressure others to restrict free speech through means of regulation. This has been ruled on in the courts.

Which is not at issue here.

It actually is the issue. I've read & heard all of it. Rogan did zero wrong. He just let the doctor talk.

Meanwhile, Biden & Harris encouraged Americans to NOT get VAXED while Trump was President.

Artists who care about disinformation that endangers people's lives should pull their work from Spotify if it keeps Rogan on.

yeppppppp wrote:

surveysays wrote:

Which is not at issue here.

It actually is the issue. I've read & heard all of it. Rogan did zero wrong. He just let the doctor talk.

Meanwhile, Biden & Harris encouraged Americans to NOT get VAXED while Trump was President.

Everything after “it actually is the issue” has nothing to do with the state pressuring private businesses to restrict free speech.

drummer wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

Yes it is...Young told Spotify to censor Rogan or he was going to pull his music...

So Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on a platform when he disagrees with their policies? He should just pull his music without telling them the reason?

Or... hear me out... he could just not pull his music. If a lot of people are on platform, you're definitely gonna disagree with at least some of them.

What are the two or three things that Rogan has said that are false? Neil Young won't make it that simple.

What about artists who also believe in responsibility?

Steve, what the f#ck have you "worked hard" for in your fricking life? 

Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:

Just One Problem. wrote:

Too bad 95% of all talented musical artists are liberal.

Liberalism caters to the lazy. Talent and hard work don't always go hand in hand. In music, talent is all you need.

So true if only the music industry would model itself after the commercial real estate/grifting wannabe politician industry we could have more Donald Jrs and Ivankas. The world would be a better place!

Arnold uncle wrote:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/neil-young-joni-mitchell-history-spotify-joe-rogan

Outstanding article that references current and related issues. thanks for posting.

surveysays wrote:

yeppppppp wrote:

It actually is the issue. I've read & heard all of it. Rogan did zero wrong. He just let the doctor talk.

Meanwhile, Biden & Harris encouraged Americans to NOT get VAXED while Trump was President.

Everything after “it actually is the issue” has nothing to do with the state pressuring private businesses to restrict free speech.

Biden's press secretary and the Surgeon General have both made public statements saying that Spotify needs to do more than what it has already done. So two very prominent high-ranking administration officials publicly saying what they think a specific company should do at least goes against the spirit of the first amendment. You don't have to be a tinfoil hat wearer to recognize when people at that level of government are making comments like that it puts a business on notice that if they don't comply there could be negative consequences. There are a million ways the federal government can go after a company like Spotify indirectly for this issue.

So while Rogan's first amendment right has not been violated if Spotify fires him it definitely is a big blow to a society that believes in free speech. There are multiple things that were "misinformation" a year and a half ago that Rogan had guests present such as the lab leak theory, or the PCR threshold was not properly being set, that are now excepted as true or at least likely.

And you never actually pointed out how I didn't understand the first amendment. You just basically confirmed you didn't like the point I made.

whaaaaaaa wrote:

drummer wrote:

So Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on a platform when he disagrees with their policies? He should just pull his music without telling them the reason?

Or... hear me out... he could just not pull his music. If a lot of people are on platform, you're definitely gonna disagree with at least some of them.

Sure, but has chosen to pull it. Neil is free to choose who he wants to do business with, or do you disagree?

NY has the right to pull his music and you have the right not to purchase or listen to it based on his decision. I don't really see what the problem is here.

There is this thing called freedom of speech and of the press, and if joe Rogan gets cancelled we have to question the credibility of these claims. If he does get cancelled and is unable to find work elsewhere, there is no need to question the aforementioned claims, because we’ll know they’re bullish!t

boyscoutszzzzz wrote:

There is this thing called freedom of speech and of the press, and if joe Rogan gets cancelled we have to question the credibility of these claims. If he does get cancelled and is unable to find work elsewhere, there is no need to question the aforementioned claims, because we’ll know they’re bullish!t

Freedom of speech and the press is recognized in most countries (not all) but the degree to which it is upheld varies considerably. Spotify is a European company and a podcaster may be able to get away with certain comments in one country that may be censored in another.

Cancel culture is nothing more than entitled bullying. There is no discourse to find common ground. It is simply, I think I have the high moral ground, F*** you. The solution is simple. Neil Young should have been Joe Rogan’s next guest on the podcast. We as a country will not mend wounds by wounding others.

runnerboy70 wrote:

gfghjb wrote:

I think you’re getting the word “censor” mixed up wit the phrase “I don’t agree with.” Removing music isn’t censoring anything.

Yes it is...Young told Spotify to censor Rogan or he was going to pull his music...

You guys are stupid. Asking a company not to elevate Rogan by publishing his content is not "censoring" him. Giving an ultimatum of "me or him" is not "censoring." Republican culture warriors (Josh Hawley great example) always want to demand that private companies give them a platform as if they're entitled to it. No, idiots, you just don't understand the free market or the First Amendment.

TheShuffle wrote:

Cancel culture is nothing more than entitled bullying. There is no discourse to find common ground. It is simply, I think I have the high moral ground, F*** you. The solution is simple. Neil Young should have been Joe Rogan’s next guest on the podcast. We as a country will not mend wounds by wounding others.

lmfao ok boomer