Should men coach women?

Iron Bars wrote:

The real question is, would female athletes prefer to be coached by women? Hard to get an accurate picture on Letsrun because female athletes avoid this site.

Well that's obviously not true! lol On this thread alone, there have been at least two women.

surveysays wrote:

Iron Bars wrote: Hard to get an accurate picture on Letsrun because female athletes avoid this site.

Hard to imagine why.

Too bad effeminate simps like you guys don't avoid this site.

zxczxczxcxcxcv wrote:

It's also that punishments are generally now way excessive for the crime when they do occur. Only hypocrites or the dead could have 100% confidence they would never give in to any temptation, whatever the situation.

I think you need to seek help and talk about this with a professional. I’m not being sarcastic. You are not well.

There is nothing wrong with saying ‘I like to see women run well….’ if OP is speaking figuratively. The fact that you don’t take the time to ask what OP means and interpret it the worst way possible speaks more about you and your mindset.

Once again, I don’t accept your appeal to authority with SS training. Due process is not only a constitutional guarantee, it is good practice in civil actions. Simply believing someone because they are a member of a group who is very likely to be telling the truth will not suffice for a ‘balance of evidence’ procedure. There has to be other evidence - physical and circumstantial that support the account of the accuser. The accused and accuser must be judged by the same criteria.

The best available studies on this very limited topic show that about 5% of accusations are confirmed false. Think about that number for a minute and the implications. I hope that you’ll be able to understand that it doesn’t mean that there is a 95% chance that an accuser is telling the truth. In fact, it suggests that the false accusation rate could easily be as high as 20%.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-015-0666-2

The fact is that organizations such as SS are acting in an advocacy role, not as independent arbiters. And if you don’t believe that this happens and has devastating consequences, here’s a partial list: UVA frat house, Duke Lax, Columbia Mattress, and Columbia journalism student. SS is shaping up to be no better or worse than universities as adjudicating sexual assault cases.

Finally, I’ll say this. Sexual assault is a devastating crime. It changes people forever. Given the damage that it causes, I believe it should be a capital crime and/or repeat offenders be castrated (not chemically). I am not minimizing this crime in any way, just urging caution for those that would investigate and arbitrate.

Charles Bukowski wrote:

surveysays wrote:

Hard to imagine why.

Too bad effeminate simps like you guys don't avoid this site.

Good attempt but you forgot "beta" so you don't get full credit.

you can not be serious wrote:

zxczxczxcxcxcv wrote:

It's also that punishments are generally now way excessive for the crime when they do occur. Only hypocrites or the dead could have 100% confidence they would never give in to any temptation, whatever the situation.

I think you need to seek help and talk about this with a professional. I’m not being sarcastic. You are not well.

I guess in not being dead yet I am a hypocrite whatever that means in this context?

Most coaches would be nauseous at the thought of ever being physically involved with their athletes.

Then there are those other coaches. We have our radar out for inappropriate behavior. I have had interactions with 100's of coaches over the past 15 years. I will not get specific about why or give details, but I have reported two to authorities and was on target both times. When you see something that doesn't look right, it's usually the tip of the iceberg.

The study you reference encompasses a broad range of sexual assault cases although your tainted assessment of interpreting a 5% false confirmed accusation rate as 20 out of 100 is bizarre.

We are talking specifically about coaches and athletes and not assaults at fraternity houses. There is a huge difference. This is about a power imbalance within an organization.

I'm happy to agree with you about sexual assault. Be careful of your message. It is meaningless on its own but when it is shared by a large percentage of society it can be damaging to victims and as I said before there is a potential that it can put others at risk due to non reporting.

Are you also against lesbian women coaching women?

My HS coach would call us, one by one, the front seat of the bus on the way to meets. He would discuss race strategy, goals for the day, course specifics, etc. At the time, I thought it to show an incredible amount of care and investment in us, which it was.

Looking back now, it seems like a great way for a coach to have basically a private conversation, but only feet away from dozens of people. The noise and energy on the bus makes it easy to be private with some in the same seat.

It was great coaching and a great way for everyone to feel respected and safe.

So typical of a certain element of the LetsRun crowd that when a well-known coach is revealed to have been credibly accused of sexual assault, the first reaction is to sympathize with the difficulties of a male coaching female athletes. That is, no sympathy is shown to the victim(s), no calls are made to punish the perpetrator...just, man, you gotta have a lot of sympathy for that poor coach.

And this same crowd, when called out for their backwards views, victim-blaming, and general sexism, will respond with Rogan-esque defenses about "just asking questions", "just having the conversation", etc., or else skip straight to calling those who don't agree with them some combination of liberal/soft/woke/simp/beta idiots.

most people here are not taking salazar's side. some of you posters need to deal with the fact that not everybody will see things the same way as you and move on. All sides are represented here. The majority are not on the side of alberto.

Give it a rest.

djdjdj wrote:

My HS coach would call us, one by one, the front seat of the bus on the way to meets. He would discuss race strategy, goals for the day, course specifics, etc. At the time, I thought it to show an incredible amount of care and investment in us, which it was.

Looking back now, it seems like a great way for a coach to have basically a private conversation, but only feet away from dozens of people. The noise and energy on the bus makes it easy to be private with some in the same seat.

It was great coaching and a great way for everyone to feel respected and safe.

Mine did the same, and we had post race talks as well. A great way to have a one on one, but right in view of a bus full of people.

The problem now is that I see very few teams take a team bus. Most have their parents bring them to the meet, then everyone scatters once the race is over.

I have to agree with the OP. It's not worth the risk for a coach. And this crosses over into business as well. I am tasked with mentoring young professionals in our company - I'm not going to do that with females. I will train, teach, give feedback, etc on the job with no difference for gender. But the continuous check-ins, lunches, and 1 on 1 discussions about career progression, goals, etc that are expected as a dedicated mentor - nope. It's not worth the risk to me.

What a scared little twit you are!

I have coached young women for 30 years and have never had anything remotely close to your scary imaginations happen. It is a function of maintaining a professional decorum and respecting boundaries. Watch your language. Keep conversations polite and focused. Remember that you are the adult. Do not get involved in personal matters like boyfriend troubles, girl spats, and gossip. If an athlete is injured, you call the trainer or get a teammate to help escort the injured to the training room. Keep your cool at all times. No private conversations behind closed doors or out-of-view. It's really simple stuff.

You sound incredibly immature and very inexperienced around women. Irresistible temptation?! Being around young attractive women makes you lose your head?! Those are excuses for the weak minded, the morally bankrupt, and 12 year old boys struggling with the hormonal changes of puberty. Grow up!

high school xc coach wrote:

most people here are not taking salazar's side. some of you posters need to deal with the fact that not everybody will see things the same way as you and move on. All sides are represented here. The majority are not on the side of alberto.

Give it a rest.

OK, coach. What does this mean, exactly? Who are you addressing? This is a forum, so I take it as a given that people are going to voice their disagreements.

You can't just say "give it a rest" and expect people to obey. Maybe that works when you have a school bus full of hs athletes.

Men should avoid coaching girls if at all possible. If required, then men should always have a female assistant present when around the girls.

Democrat media loves to see white men attacked and destroyed by false accusations. Crazy Blasey is a good example of democrat sponsored and glorified false accusations.

safety first wrote:

Are you also against lesbian women coaching women?

I don't get your question. I think lesbians are women! lol :)

I already said that my coach in HS was a great guy, and I (and the whole team) loved him. I am pretty sure I never said I was against anyone coaching.

That said, I don't think lesbians would be like the idiot male perv coaches who have kind of screwed it up for the rest of you. I also don't think that there's been as much in the way of false accusations against lesbians. So, there's less risk either way with lesbian coaches.

I'm landing on the conclusion that it would be best for men to not coach women. I applaud the good guys (again, like my coach) who've made it happen and have been great for us, but the times are changing. Women coaches might be a little behind right now on the whole, but we'll catch up really fast.

It's funny that I used to hate Mike Pence, but I have to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt at possibly being a little ahead of the curve in this area. lol

democrats hate truckers wrote:

Men should avoid coaching girls if at all possible. If required, then men should always have a female assistant present when around the girls.

Democrat media loves to see white men attacked and destroyed by false accusations. Crazy Blasey is a good example of democrat sponsored and glorified false accusations.

male coaches don't ALWAYS need to have a female assistant around. but it is definitely to good to have a female assistant available for certain things that might come up.

Just as a matter of practicality. Where in the world are u going to find all these women coaches? I’m not seeing long lines of women just waiting for their chance. Reality is that there are not nearly enough female coaches in any sport. Middle and high school athletic departments should have definitive rules dealing with these issues but I haven’t seen many that address it.