We couldn’t make this up if we tried: Transgender UPenn woman swimmer beaten by transgender man Yale swimmer

Sane people cant understand insanity. But it does drive them insane if they try.

Respectfully, these people are out of their minds but the people who let it happen and explain it away are the real problem.

I would like to see an interview of the Yale swimmer to see what she thinks about the Penn swimmer being allowed to compete in the female category. It would be interesting to see what she has to say about it as the trans Yale swimmer is not taking the hormones most trans people take so she can compete (admittedly in an easier division). Meanwhile, the trans Penn swimmer is taking hormones so she can compete in the same easier division.

But if we are going to Cliffs Notes summarize this, please tell me if this is correct.:"At he Penn's women's swimming meet today, a woman who used to be a man lost to a man who used to be a woman."

Moving on, are there any swimming experts on here? I have some stats questions.

1) Is there a swimming version of tfrrs that I can see? What is the URL?

2) Is Thomas like a mid-d swimmer, sprinter, distandce runner, etc? I know the parallels between swimming and running aren't perfect but did experts looking at the stats predict this.

I mean if it was running. I'd know damn well who was going to win based on previous times.

Your curious fetish with this is a little unnerving and missing the point. It isnt about who would win. Its about who's losing. Why cant "normal" people figure this out? Define normal.

seattle prattle wrote:

My point is simply that they may not prefer either him nor her. Some transgender individuals won't identify as either one, and prefer a gender neutral identifier, like 'they' or 'them'. At least that is what i've heard.

Call them what you may (as I suspect most will). I'm just trying to draw some attention that it may be even more involved and imbued with subtlety than you thought.

You're wrong. The swimmer in question is clearly identified as male, not non-binary.

I know this is confusing for you. That's because this whacked ideology is designed to be confusing.

bio Domer wrote:

Anyone else think that the brojos need to find a new hobby?

Yup. They should post it as an article, on the journalistic side of the site, if they want to constantly harp on these edge cases. They are saying everything while trying to act like they are saying nothing. Just fcking write your editorial, brosjo.

rojo wrote:

...But if we are going to Cliffs Notes summarize this, please tell me if this is correct.:"At he Penn's women's swimming meet today, a woman who used to be a man lost to a man who used to be a woman."...

Not exactly, as far as I can tell.

I would say that a woman who used to be a man lost to a woman who is in the process of transitioning to a man, and specifically, has undergone at least some alterations to their body, though reportedly has not undergone the hormone treatments yet.

That's as much as i understand of it, and I think the key point is that the winner of the race was holding off from undergoing the hormonal treatment until a later date, so technically, was still able to compete as a female.

He had his breasts removed which would affect his hormone levels (decreased estrogen and progesterone levels). Not sure how those would impact performance.

joed|rty wrote:

He had his breasts removed which would affect his hormone levels (decreased estrogen and progesterone levels). Not sure how those would impact performance.

Having breasts removed isn't against the rules though, so it shouldn't matter. Plus, there are plenty of women that may have insignificant breast tissue mass to begin with.

wejo wrote:

Looks like from what I can tell the Yale swimmer isn’t doping yet to become a transgender man so is the one at the biological disadvantage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10382019/Trans-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-wins-200m-freestyle-race-two-seconds.html

Huh? Isn’t this a running website?

jamb innnnn wrote:

bio Domer wrote:

Anyone else think that the brojos need to find a new hobby?

Like what, commentating on sports?

Yeah, like focusing on running.

energeticlotuseater wrote:

Honestly, this is really $hitty for real biological female athletes. They are just getting pushed to the side by these male-female hybrids in the name of “wokeness”.

The male athletes (and it’s usually men in leadership positions allowing this insanity to happen) aren’t suffering at all. Their sport is staying the same-a transgender “man” isn’t going to make any kind of impact at even the Ivy League college level of men sport. A transgender “female” though could be a very real Olympic medal contender.

The biological female won the race. You do realize this right?

What I want to know if breasts slow down women. The woman, now man who won did have his breasts removed. Does that make him faster? If no hormones, that could be factor?

Any buoyancy experts on LRC?

Artie Lange wrote:

What I want to know if breasts slow down women. The woman, now man who won did have his breasts removed. Does that make him faster? If no hormones, that could be factor?

Any buoyancy experts on LRC?

Who the hell cares? Breast reductions aren't banned in sport and are very common for biological females to have for health reasons, practicality reasons, aesthetic reasons, etc. Like someone else said, plenty of women with small breasts. Whatever.

This has to be a very well planned out PR stunt by the trans community to normalize this stuff.

This is a lot of hype for the results of an untapered dual meet where the swimmers are coming off a Christmas Break training period of mega-yardage. Hence, the Lia Thomas, transgendered female simply is wiped out by her third or fourth swim of the meet and can only muster a 52.8 for the 100 free (a time which does not even qualify for an NCAA D3 women's swim meet). However, her early event, the 200 Free, she swims 1:48+ which is at least a top 3 NCAA D3 time. Note that earlier this year Lia swam 1:42 for that 200 Free (which would be top 3 at women's NCAA D1) so you can see how slow she is swimming unrested. Her transgendered male opponent swims a 49+ in the 100 Free which is a good unrested time for a woman and would place top 3 at women's NCAA D3. Note that women's NCAA D1 100 free race is usually won in a 46 time.

wack wrote:

Artie Lange wrote:

What I want to know if breasts slow down women. The woman, now man who won did have his breasts removed. Does that make him faster? If no hormones, that could be factor?

Any buoyancy experts on LRC?

Who the hell cares? Breast reductions aren't banned in sport and are very common for biological females to have for health reasons, practicality reasons, aesthetic reasons, etc. Like someone else said, plenty of women with small breasts. Whatever.

Breast reduction should be banned though, women should not have to mutilate their bodys to remain competetive. With TUEs for breast cancer or other legitimate reasons.

seattle prattle wrote:

Go run fast and jump wrote:

Actually, she can't according to the rules which clearly define what is required to be female. She says that she meets those requirements. She can identify as a male outside of competition but has to agree that she is female when she competes. This isn't complicated.

From Medical News Today newsletter :

"In general terms, sex refers to a person's physical characteristics at birth, and gender encompasses a person's identities, expressions, and societal roles. A person may identify with a gender that is different from their natal sex or with no gender at all."

So if you accept that, then gender identity and sex at birth may be entirely different.

The distinction is a dumb one and is why I hate the term "gender." From what the medical community knows about gender dysphoria, it is has been shown to be caused by a developmental mismatch where the brain develops as one sex and the body another, causing the feeling of being born in the wrong body. Kind of silly to separate gender identity and sex when your gender identity is a manifestation of physical characteristics in the brain. People don't like to point out this obvious fact because it gets in the way of the PC worldview.

Artie Lange wrote:

What I want to know if breasts slow down women. The woman, now man who won did have his breasts removed. Does that make him faster? If no hormones, that could be factor?

Any buoyancy experts on LRC?

That is irrelevant; breasts vary GREATLY and women can choose to remove their breasts for cosmetic/cancer-prevention or treatment/voluntary reasons.

We don’t get to dictate what women can and cannot do with their bodies.