Official 2022 USA XC Discussion Thread: Kelati vs Monson XVIII - Who you got? Does ADP continue to DOMINATE?

I think it’s great. No ads constantly cutting away. Cheaper than going to a a movie.

do the math wrote:

bop wrote:

It's unreal when you think about it. The #1 priority should be getting free broadcasts out so people can watch and generating ad revenue.

@everyone thanks for the updates

Ad revenue?

So let's do what you say they should do. They stream the thing for free. If so, they'd be really lucky to get 5000 people to watch it live. Do you know how little ad revenue that brings in? On youtube, it's like maybe $10 per 1000 views so they'd bring in $50? Now this is a long broadcast so you could run more ads.

So double it - they bring in $100. Quadruple it and it's $200.

A federation should use some of its own money to just run the stream and make it free. This isn’t some private for-profit organization. It’s sole purpose for existing is to be a national governing body that promotes the sport.

I wish I knew what to make of these races. Why don’t some of the best not bother? I’m a naive hobby jogger, so please enlighten me. Sad that runners like Mantz or Fisher don’t value a USATF 10k xc title? What could be done to change that attitude? Was the Monson v Kelati race meaningful or just a reflection of where they are in their training blocks and interest? Hard to really take this seriously and that’s a shame.

You're right. I guess they should just:

- keep charging roughly the same amount as netflix

- wait as people sign up for the streaming service in droves b/c of the value it offers

- turn a huge profit from the streaming service while increasing overall viewership and also developing new fans

- translate the newly acquired customers/fans into usatf members with a separate membership fee

Call me a cynic but it's not a great plan.

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

A federation should use some of its own money to just run the stream and make it free. This isn’t some private for-profit organization. It’s sole purpose for existing is to be a national governing body that promotes the sport.

I'd love to know the entire budget for USATF.tv + per year. Could you just refuce Max Siegel's salary downt o $500,000 and make it free to all?

I don't get why they don't include it with your USATF membership. Give old farts who aren't racing a reason to join USATF.

6k in and the lead pack is 4 - Benard Keter, Sam Chelanga, DIllon Maggard and Leonard Korir all at 18:12-13. Benjamin Eideschink is 5th at 18:16 wit Ben Blankenship 6th in 18:26.

That's all via the results site.

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

A federation should use some of its own money to just run the stream and make it free. This isn’t some private for-profit organization. It’s sole purpose for existing is to be a national governing body that promotes the sport.

BINGO

rojo wrote:

I'd love to know the entire budget for USATF.tv + per year. Could you just refuce Max Siegel's salary downt o $500,000 and make it free to all?

I don't get why they don't include it with your USATF membership. Give old farts who aren't racing a reason to join USATF.

Streaming service included / bundled with USATF membership has been the drum I've beaten at every USATF meeting I've ever attended.

Old Oregonian wrote:

Is there a results page somewhere?

Super close finish

1 Alicia Monson On Athletics Club [23] – 403 34:01

2 Weini Kelati Under Armour [25] – 427 34:18

3 Emily Infeld Portland OR [31] – 434 34:36

4 Emily Durgin adidas [27] – 393 34:50

5 Stephanie Bruce 34:51

6 Natosha Rogers 35:24

7 Jaci Smith U.S. Air Force [25] – 415 35:48

8 Molly Seidel PUMA [27] – 405 35:58

9 Carrie Verdon T.E.A.M Boulder [27] – 409 36:01

10 Maria Mettler U.S. Air Force [22] – 413 36:21

11 Caroline Sang U.S. Army [26] – 416 36:52

12 Olivia Pratt Hansons-Brooks Distance 36:58

13 Calene Morris Janes Elite [27] – 437 37:43

14 Amy Davis Hansons-Brooks Distance Pro 38:02

15 Kathryn Munks Hansons-Brooks Distance Proj 38:09

16 Megan O'Neil Hansons-Brooks Distance Pro 38:27

17 Casey Monoszlay Valor Track Club [25] 38:47

18 Obsie Birru Phoenix AZ [33] – 39:12

19 Amelia Keyser-Gibson Seattle WA [25] – 39:19

20 Elaine Ribeiro San Diego Track Club [26] – 4 40:35

21 Kayla Grahn Pasadena CA [25] – 432 40:48

22 Janel Zick West Valley City UT [30] – 4 41:21

23 Audrey Belf Arlington VA [25] – 430 41:36

24 Katherine Irgens U.S. Navy [32] – 424 41:43

25 Elizabeth Conlon Prado Racing Team [3 41:54

26 Breann Guzman San Diego Track Club [29] - 41:57

27 Emily Shertzer U.S. Air Force [42] – 414 42:16

28 Aubrey Martin San Diego Track Club [24] – 4 42:30

29 Allison Spies U.S. Navy [34] – 426 43:36

30 Carolyn Riggs U.S. Navy [23] - 45:26

Maggard wanted nothing to do with high fives with the Army team

1 Shadrack Kipchirchir Colorado Springs CO [32] – 452 30:33

2 Dillon Maggard Logan UT [26] – 510 30:34

3 Sam Chelanga U.S. Army [36] – 477 30:34

4 Leonard Korir U.S. Army [35] – 479 30:37

5 Benard Keter NIKE / U.S. Army [29] – 454 30:49

6 Benjamin Eidenschink Longmont CO [25] – 500 31:07

7 Benjamin Blankenship NIKE [33] – 451 31:37

8 Caleb Webb Flagstaff AZ [24] – 520 31:44

9 Futsum Zienasellassie McKirdy Trained [29] – 450 32:03

10 Theodorakis Medrano T.E.A.M Boulder [24] – 466 32:06

11 Ryan Robinson Boulder CO [25] – 515 32:14

12 Alec Sandusky Hansons-Brooks Distance Project [ 32:18

13 Daniel Soto Hansons-Brooks Distance Project [ 32:31

14 Anthony Raftis Longmont CO [24] – 514 32:47

15 Stanley Linton U.S. Navy [28] – 487 32:51

16 Chase Weaverling T.E.A.M Boulder [25] – 467 32:57

17 Craig Curley Sports Warriors Track Club [33] – 458 33:03

18 Benjamin Bruce HOKA ONE ONE / HOKA NAZ Elite [39 33:05

19 Hosava Kretzmann Sports Warriors Track Club [ 33:05

20 Garret Lee T.E.A.M Boulder [28] – 465 33:05

21 Matthew Williams U.S. Air Force [34] – 33:13

22 Henry Sterling Scottsdale AZ [30] – 517 33:16

23 Zachary Swenson U.S. Navy [26] – 491 33:38

24 Benjamin Payne U.S. Air Force [40] – 471 33:39

25 Tony Floyd Westland MI [23] – 503 33:41

26 Raul Arcos Corona CA [32] – 495 33:55

27 Kevin Murray U.S. Navy [23] – 488 33:59

28 Steven Grolle Peninsula Distance Club 34:04

29 Andrew Wacker Boulder CO [33] – 25 34:14

30 Angel Ramirez McKirdy Trained [32] – 34:23

31 James Stadler Seattle WA [25] – 516 34:25

Laggards Twitter says he’s a Homa athlete but he was wearing Nike. What’s his deal? Barely know the name so a great run for him

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

The masters women 6K winner finished 1:44 in front of second.

Renee Metivier is a boss in her own right, many time US champ in various disciplines.

Props to second placer (Hilary Corno) for being the first across the line without a major pedigree.

The men’s race was great and I thought the coverage was fine. No commercials was a plus and Rowbury seems comfortable enough in her role and has the respect of the other athletes. She’s definitely better than Wheating! Can any of you LRC experts put the meaning of these results in context for the upcoming spring and summer? Seems like a niche group of the best distance runners bothers to prepare and compete. It would have been fun to see people like Mantz or Fisher out there today. It’s a shame the 10K xc title is not considered a major title worthy of everybody’s attention.

I'm far from wise but I included my responses below in bold since you seem authentically curious.

Nicely done.