mofan wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
does internet forum honesty preclude one from having the ability to coach youth runners?
No, but I have long doubted your honesty and integrity.
you're gonna have to be more specific than that.
mofan wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
does internet forum honesty preclude one from having the ability to coach youth runners?
No, but I have long doubted your honesty and integrity.
you're gonna have to be more specific than that.
peterpan wrote:
xcrunner22765 wrote:
Its because he never chased fast times and turned the diamond league into a 13:05 snooze fest everytime he raced. One of the greatest championship racers in history, but I think people dislike how he tried to slow down every single race he ran.
In addition to this, he was one of the most blatantly dirt runners of the era. His coach was literally banned for doping violations. Galen Rupp generally gets the same hate around here, which is justified.
both he and Rupp are in desperate need of a personality transplant.
they’re really hard to like regardless of how you feel about their doping associations or race style.
lke_4:25 wrote:
xcrunner22765 wrote:
Its because he never chased fast times and turned the diamond league into a 13:05 snooze fest everytime he raced. One of the greatest championship racers in history, but I think people dislike how he tried to slow down every single race he ran.
What the hell does this even mean he literally ran 3:28 that is the 13th fastest time ever and was like 5th all time when it happened. He would have won races if they went out at an honest pace also so why does it matter.
Because the field was weak and he competed in a weak era. The fact that people like Galen Rup were relevant back then should tell you as much.
Mo Bamba competed in the G League of distance running.
OozmaKappa wrote:
lke_4:25 wrote:
What the hell does this even mean he literally ran 3:28 that is the 13th fastest time ever and was like 5th all time when it happened. He would have won races if they went out at an honest pace also so why does it matter.
Because the field was weak and he competed in a weak era. The fact that people like Galen Rup were relevant back then should tell you as much.
Mo Bamba competed in the G League of distance running.
Fun facts: he beat Bekele and Kipchoge, both of whom are widely regarded as the distance and marathon GOAT respectively in London.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Mo Fraud gets no respect because all his medals are fraudulent, won in large part thanks to having his peak coincide with the least competitive era in modern distance running. If Mo Farah's peak had been a decade earlier or later, he wouldnt have a single gold medal.
With his 3:28 speed, few runners in history, if any, could have dropped him in the 5/10K. Lasse Virin ran to win and didn't even bother trying to run fast between Olympics. Gebrselassie didn't bother with leading a race until the last lap.
yup. In a 12:50 or slower race, no 5k/10k types of runners would stand a chance against a prime Mo Farah. And in faster races, only a prime Bekele (or perhaps Baraga) could possibly beat him. Most people here just don't understand how freakish Mo really was.
high school xc coach wrote:
the problem with Farah is that he waited 10 years longer than everybody else to get on the drugs.
Agreed. I'm intrigued as to what he could've done, had he found his malfunctioning doorbell earlier. He's certainly the GOAT racer (overall GOAT still goes to Bekele)despite being a late boomer.
OozmaKappa wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
With his 3:28 speed, few runners in history, if any, could have dropped him in the 5/10K. Lasse Virin ran to win and didn't even bother trying to run fast between Olympics. Gebrselassie didn't bother with leading a race until the last lap.
Who tf is Lasso Virgin? Also, the difference between Mo Fraud and Gebrselassie is that Geb set like 20 world records while Mo Bamba set none (that mattered).
I was responding to the idea that Mo benefited from competing in a less competitive era. That he didn't prioritize going after WRs is a different issue.
Because people on this message board are children.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
peterpan wrote:
In addition to this, he was one of the most blatantly dirt runners of the era. His coach was literally banned for doping violations. Galen Rupp generally gets the same hate around here, which is justified.
both he and Rupp are in desperate need of a personality transplant.
they’re really hard to like regardless of how you feel about their doping associations or race style.
Very few people can win Olympic medals but everyone has a personally. Why does it matter and what do you expect? A good stand up routine?
bannnnned i got wrote:
oh you know maybe cause in his actual prime (20-25) like most pros run their 5k pr, he was mid pack, then moves on over to al sal after his prime and has miracle improvement in his late 20s very very very similar to regina jacobs in late age break through. well we all know she got popped for THG and EPO....but nope mo was just doing sit ups for the first time in his life and booooooom
check his PRs from when he was 25, the age where 99.9% of 5k pro guys have set their PR.
800 Metres 1:48.24 Lugano (SUI) 04 JUL 2008 1077
1500 Metres 3:39.66 Birmingham (GBR) 13 JUL 2008 1111
3000 Metres 7:39.55 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 29 JUL 2008 1179
5000 Metres 13:08.11 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2008 1180
10,000 Metres 27:44.54 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 04 MAY 2008 1156
5 Kilometres 13:35 Carlsbad, CA (USA) 06 APR 2008 1103
10 Kilometres 28:39 London (GBR) 27 MAY 2008 1082
didnt make the final in the 5k at the bejing olympics. how many US guys have run around 13:08 and not made the olympic final and LRers say "dude is 25 he should hang it up"
2009 (now 26yrs old)
1500 Metres 3:33.98 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 28 JUL 2009 1189
3000 Metres 7:39.02 Torino (ITA) 04 JUN 2009 1182
5000 Metres 13:09.14 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 24 JUL 2009 1176
as you can see he ran 1 second slower, LRs would be screaming for him to get a real job...instead he headed to ethiopia and started having some guy named Aden hold his stop watch
2010 (27yrs old)
3000 Metres 7:40.75 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010 1172
5000 Metres 12:57.94 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010 1217
10,000 Metres 27:28.86 Marseille (FRA) 05 JUN 2010 1180
no change in 3000m, but drops 10 seconds in his 5k.....and now he will split his time between aden and his new coach al sleazy sal
2011 (28yrs old)
3000 Metres 7:40.15 Crystal Palace, London (GBR) 05 AUG 2011 1175
5000 Metres 12:53.11 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 22 JUL 2011 1235
10,000 Metres 26:46.57 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUN 2011 1248
now the sauce has fully kicked in plus those nice l-carnatine infusions
2012 (29 yrs old)
1500 Metres 3:34.66 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2012 1179
Two Miles 8:27.24 Alexander Stadium, Birmingham (GBR) 26 AUG 2012 1111
5000 Metres 12:56.98 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 02 JUN 2012 1221
10,000 Metres 27:30.42 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 04 AUG 2012 1178
not much to see time wise, but going from not making the final 4 years prior to smashing everyone with his now famous old man kick he is double olympic champ. as ramzi did in the 1500 and made it look easy, so did mo when he found his new set of wheels on his 29 yr old legs
from here on out the noobs only know of this new mo, instead of the mo that was getting 6th-9th in 5ks and had a PR of 13:07 at 24 yrs old and stayed at that level for 2 more years.
go ahead and check the PRs of any other top 5 guy in the world for 5k and tell me how many of them went from mid pack to unbeatable at 28/29 yrs old?
then you add in the fact that he accomplished this task while having Aden hold his stop watch, and al sal getting him on thyroid meds, l-carnatine infusions, androgel rub downs with happy endings, and from what we have been told lots of push ups and sit ups.
so you have all of this, his arrogant annoying attitude, and his obvious ability to run WR times but instead turned everything into some lame sit and kick.....oh and that fancy bears leak that had him on the "likely doping" list
Fancy Bears? Wasn't that just propaganda from the desk of Vladimir Putin?
Some people resent winners.
OozmaKappa wrote:
lke_4:25 wrote:
What the hell does this even mean he literally ran 3:28 that is the 13th fastest time ever and was like 5th all time when it happened. He would have won races if they went out at an honest pace also so why does it matter.
Because the field was weak and he competed in a weak era. The fact that people like Galen Rup were relevant back then should tell you as much.
Mo Bamba competed in the G League of distance running.
3:28 would win any race right now quite easily (excluding Jakob) what on earth are you talking about
lke_4:25 wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Because the field was weak and he competed in a weak era. The fact that people like Galen Rup were relevant back then should tell you as much.
Mo Bamba competed in the G League of distance running.
3:28 would win any race right now quite easily (excluding Jakob) what on earth are you talking about
Mo also ran a 2:05, so that combined with his top-end speed would make it next to impossible to gap him in a 5/10K. I believe he is the one guy that could have taken Konen down in a 3000m.
When I would watch him running in a pack of East-Africans his stride stood out for me. Kind of an antelope look that the other runners didn't have.
This top-end speed Mo Farah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnyDZVaWR0
(3:38 1500 PB and 13:09 5000m PB at the time) he got outkicked by 6 guys in a race that went through 4k in near 14:30 5k pace...the replica of the type of race he wont on to become virtually unbeatable in after he started getting Vit D and IV drips and testosterone massages.
or what about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaGp8ls83g
where he goes backwards when the pace winds up and its time to kick?
Where was his kick that he magically got in his late 20s and early 30s? when most runners have more or a buildup before the real kickers with speed go?
It's a combination of:
* Alberto Salazar/NOP connection
* Documented Jama Aden association and associated lies
* Sudden, improbable rise to world beater after his prime
* Strange difficulty with hearing doorbells
* "Because that's what champions do"
Because he is not an honest person.
ALH359 wrote:
This top-end speed Mo Farah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnyDZVaWR0(3:38 1500 PB and 13:09 5000m PB at the time) he got outkicked by 6 guys in a race that went through 4k in near 14:30 5k pace...the replica of the type of race he wont on to become virtually unbeatable in after he started getting Vit D and IV drips and testosterone massages.
or what about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcaGp8ls83gwhere he goes backwards when the pace winds up and its time to kick?
Where was his kick that he magically got in his late 20s and early 30s? when most runners have more or a buildup before the real kickers with speed go?
3:28 doesn't lie.
As for cheating, it's pretty much agreed on LR that all elite runners are guilty, so what's your point?
So much for Mo Bamba's kick.
Bekele runs away from Mo Fraud, in his prime, while laughing.
lke_4:25 wrote:
OozmaKappa wrote:
Because the field was weak and he competed in a weak era. The fact that people like Galen Rup were relevant back then should tell you as much.
Mo Bamba competed in the G League of distance running.
3:28 would win any race right now quite easily (excluding Jakob) what on earth are you talking about
3:28 in old Nike Victory OG, not super spikes.
Farah could run ~12:45 in his prime in the old style spikes. He beat tons of 12:50 guys week in week out.
He knew he couldn't break the WR of 12:37 so there was not much point in trying, and therefore showing his hand to the competition.
I also wish he went for a few more record attempts but I wonder if that is more to do with his coach rather than him.
He did also run that indoor 8:03 2 mile breaking Bekele's record. It's softer but impressive still.
ex-runner wrote:
lke_4:25 wrote:
3:28 would win any race right now quite easily (excluding Jakob) what on earth are you talking about
3:28 in old Nike Victory OG, not super spikes.
Farah could run ~12:45 in his prime in the old style spikes. He beat tons of 12:50 guys week in week out.
He knew he couldn't break the WR of 12:37 so there was not much point in trying, and therefore showing his hand to the competition.
I also wish he went for a few more record attempts but I wonder if that is more to do with his coach rather than him.
He did also run that indoor 8:03 2 mile breaking Bekele's record. It's softer but impressive still.
In the early years of his success, there was no incentive to run records of any kind. His funding was linked to delivering medals, not times. Afterwards, you're right, he knew he couldn't get close to the WRs and also that his strength was racing. It's weird that Centro gets so much praise on LRC as a tactician despite delivering one gold, but Farah is vilified for it despite delivering 10 gold medals at global level.
For those that say Farah never raced anyone, here's some names of people he beat in finals on the track:
Kamworor
Bekele
Cheptegei
Geremew
Tadese
Yimer
Moh Ahmed
Edris
Abdi
Rupp
Gebriwhet
Lagat
Kejelcha
Kipchoge
It's not like he wasn't challenged by great runners. He was also capable of winning fast races when he needed to, the 2017 10000m final being the prime example.
You can dislike Farah as a person, but attempts to diminish his record are desperate and so t stand up to scrutiny