Fun fact : Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran the fastest 5000m of 2021

Gebrselassie improved with 24 seconds from age 20 to age 25, from 13:03 to 12:39.

Bekele improved with 17 seconds from age 21 to age 22, from 12:52 to 12:37.

Cheptegei improved with 24 seconds from age 20 to age 23, from 12:59 to 12:35.

The funny thing is that his 3:47 mile in Eugene was a mild disappoint. Yeah, it was the fastest mile ever run on American soil and the fastest mile run on planet earth in 15 years, but many of us, me included, thought Jakob was primed to post a 3:44 or 3:45 that day. Anyway, his 2022 will be spectacular. Can't wait to watch him crush PBs in the 1500, 3000, and 5000 and dominate Worlds. And the kid just turned 21 three months ago.

He ran a World Best in the half marathon. It is not an Olympic event, and is considered to be technically a World Best. Also, it is far less competitive than the marathon.

I remember that. Peak Yakob fan delusion. If you predicted Yakob would "only" run a 3:45, you were considered to be underestimating him. All his fanboys were sure hed either break the record or be within 1 second of it. Youd get flamed for saying "no dude, hes not going anywhere near the record because hes still just a 3:28 guy".

It'a probably gonna be even worse next year. People will probably predict a WR in every race hes in.

Roar Omega Roar wrote:

He ran a World Best in the half marathon. It is not an Olympic event, and is considered to be technically a World Best. Also, it is far less competitive than the marathon.

This is oldhead logic. The reality is the Half Marathon has caught up to the rest of the distance events and the disrespect is no longer warranted.

A HM in the 57:30s is equivalent to a mid 2:02 marathon. We've seen a ton of 57:30s in the Half recently, but how many sub 2:03 marathons have we seen? We have to go all the way back 2019 to see performances that rival or trump a 57:30 HM. And these performances are from none other than Bekele and Kipchoge, all time greats. So what does that tell us? That these HM times are pretty damn competitive.

And that's just on the men's side. I dont think I have to explain how incredible Gidey's HM record is.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Fun fact: Jacob Kiplimo ran the fastest Half Marathon of all time, in 2021.

Neither event matters.

Its like saying you passed the 5 th floor while walking to the 8th

Kiplimo's half marathon is equivalent to a 3:26.26 1500m.

Call me when Yakob beats that. 😂

Woulda, coulda ,whatever will be will be.

Most important concept in Gjert training:

Reality based time, not potentially possible.

I have no knowledge of Kiplimo training or environment, but his accomplishment are real and his potential as high as it is is as extraordinary than JI.

The best thing in athletics is that is nothing is pre-written .

Jakob Ingebrigtsen càreer can be more accurately evaluated post 2024 or 2025 .

He has competitiors who will also get stronger or appear from UK, USA , MAROCCO, Australia , Rwanda, Kenya, Ethiopia.

Welcome 2022 and another exciting season

I was just surprised to learn El Guerrouj didn't even WIN the race he ran his 12:50. He got outkicked big by Shaheen in the final 100 in 12:48, and went home devastated. Found this video worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBiVWJfBkBw

big daddy wrote:

I was just surprised to learn El Guerrouj didn't even WIN the race he ran his 12:50. He got outkicked big by Shaheen in the final 100 in 12:48, and went home devastated. Found this video worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBiVWJfBkBw

Gone home devastated for the first 5000m he run in 6 or 7 years?

I guess that was his first experimentation before attempting the double 1500m/5000m in the world championship 2003.

There is a series of videos about Ingerbrigsten Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KykCCRBaaSo

Do you evaluate performance on the basis of equivalent? The equivalent is only a rough estimate. Man pls stop trolling, really. Both runners are absolute top, let's be glad that we can watch such excellent athletes and hopefully in their mutual fights, otherwise we can compare to infinity.

big daddy wrote:

I was just surprised to learn El Guerrouj didn't even WIN the race he ran his 12:50. He got outkicked big by Shaheen in the final 100 in 12:48, and went home devastated. Found this video worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBiVWJfBkBw

Shawho? 😂 damn thats a fat L for milers right there. The best miler ever got outkicked in the race where he ran his PB.

walkeR1 wrote:

Do you evaluate performance on the basis of equivalent? The equivalent is only a rough estimate. Man pls stop trolling, really. Both runners are absolute top, let's be glad that we can watch such excellent athletes and hopefully in their mutual fights, otherwise we can compare to infinity.

In case you werent paying attention, I was trolling another troll who confidently declared that the half marathon is meaningless and running the all time best is worthless. So I let him know that that WR hes speaking about is equivalent to a 3:26 1500m, which Yakob is nowhere near good enough to run right now.

so don't react to him right? And you comparsion 1500 metres and half marathon je absolutely crazy. 1500 meters is the royal discipline. The equivalent is just a mathematical estimate, we can't follow that exactly

objectiveobserver wrote:

plain wrong wrote:

"El Guerrouj didn’t have the strength of Bekele but he could still beat him over 5k. Ingebrigtsen is never going to run 12:35, but he doesn’t have to. His strength is already superb for a 1500m specialist, and he is more than capable of running with the best in the world over 5000m, as we saw in Florence. "

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Why don´t you think Jakob can run 12:35 some time in the future?

How much do you think H. Gebrselassie, K. Bekele and J. Cheptegei improved their 5000m PB from age 20?

I think Jakob could have run at least 12:45 in Florens if Cheptegei had continued to run 61 seconds laps. So Jakob only has to improve 10 seconds to reach 12:35.

I agree Ingebrigtsen could have run 12:45 in Florence, but it’s a long way down to 12:35. He might be capable of 12:40 at best, though I doubt we’ll ever see him try. It wouldn’t surprise me if his mark from Florence ended up being a career best.

walkeR1 wrote:

so don't react to him right? And you comparsion 1500 metres and half marathon je absolutely crazy. 1500 meters is the royal discipline. The equivalent is just a mathematical estimate, we can't follow that exactly

The what discipline? Now youre just making stuff up lmao

The scoring tables are literally designed to compare performances across disciplines, if you dont believe in them at all youre a flat earther. You dont have to believe that a 57:31 is equally impressive as a 3:26.2, but you have to acknowledge that the two performances are at least in the same ballpark.

They arent even close wtf this is an absurd take. Supershoes destroyed the IAAF tables, all the road records have obscene IAAF scores. Stop using them to compare performances to the track, its an absolutely terrible argument.

OozmaKappa wrote:

walkeR1 wrote:

so don't react to him right? And you comparsion 1500 metres and half marathon je absolutely crazy. 1500 meters is the royal discipline. The equivalent is just a mathematical estimate, we can't follow that exactly

The what discipline? Now youre just making stuff up lmao

The scoring tables are literally designed to compare performances across disciplines, if you dont believe in them at all youre a flat earther. You dont have to believe that a 57:31 is equally impressive as a 3:26.2, but you have to acknowledge that the two performances are at least in the same ballpark.

It is difficult to put them in the same ballpark when you have a guy like kibiwott kandie running 57:32. He is awesome, but not an all-time great. It is a good record, but probably more similar to something like a 26:30-35 than a 26:00-26:10.

The 1500 is basically the gold standard of distance. Every great distance runner has taken a shot at it.